its ironic because i will use the same plugins everytime just on different settings everytime. isnt that cool?
Has anyone heard the original prodigy demos sent to XL back in the day? They sound ruff! Which like but liam howlett only started to sound the nuts after he got on the inside with help from pro producers and mastering engineers. He just had the musical content in his tunes 
[quote]ICN (24/11/2011)[hr]Mussi for President! Yes we can 
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He’s fkn right though.
He always makes me feel better about my stuff - Seriouse 
Its great having someone that’ll give you a pep talk. We all need it.[/quote]
Yeah bouncing ideas and getting feedback from your friends is critical. I think s.a should employ someone to just listen to subscribers tracks and give feedback.
Cheers ICN, theres some good advice there. It’s interesting that hearing someone say something out loud can sometimes makes things you’ve been aware of for a long time click.
Finding sounds and effects that work together is really the meat of my issue. Seems obvious but it’s something I’ve constantly overlooked. I try everything, Pounding Grooves style hard loop techno, Deep House, Dubtech, but never really focussed on trying to nail 1 sound properly. Being able to get a few elements that can really play off of each other can make a whole track. There are countless tracks that I love that seem to be just that.
Anyhow, after trawling forums and watching just about all the Sonic Academy and a ton of other stuff on youtube I’ve radically changed my approach. I’m concentrating on building complete tracks which I’ve never done before and it’s liberating. I’ve always been a 1 bar wonder guy and I think we all know after 4 hours of the same loop it’s easy to get totally delusional
thats something i really think the pro’s do very well. everything they put in their tracks compliment each other. its what separate the men from the boys that and sex laws lol:P
lol
Yeah a good saying that applies to that is “If its not adding a signifcant amount to your track, don’t add it at all”
So basically, if you have a drum beat with a high pitched one shot hitting on the up beat. You wont want to add a closed hi-hat since the frequencies are too similar so the hi-hat does not have much of an impact and thus is just muddying up your sound. Everything you add should have a meaning.
Also, favorite musical quote, from Axwell: “Goosbumps never lie”
Have you ever been creating a track and you add something that makes the hair on the back of your neck stand up? If so, keep that element and work with it. You can’t just listen to dance music, you have to feel it. Keep that in mind when your producing
Goosebumps mean turn up the fkn heat
Agreed ICN. Accept its hard not to sit there and just jam out to how good it sounds rather than actually finishing the track though 
[quote]daniaan (21/11/2011)[hr]Don’t wanna be harsh on you, but sometimes you’re just not good in a certain hobby.
I always tried hard to become a great tennis player, but really never made it out there. You have to have some certain skills that can’t be trained.
It helps to have a great ear in hearing what sounds good and what sounds like rubbish. Another thing is being creative. Nowadays being a bit technical is great too to master the digital boundaries of your DAW en VST’s.[/quote]
The single most useless piece of advice i’ve ever heard the whole time i’ve been involved in music production and total ***** to boot !!
dannian you must have been born with some kind of musical gene the rest of us dumbfcuks simply lack … your telling the guy to basically give up .
Not cool man !
Well said man!
Never let the bastards grind you down… we’re more than capable of doing that ourselves.
[quote]egg2 (25/11/2011)[hr]
The single most useless piece of advice i’ve ever heard the whole time i’ve been involved in music production and total ***** to boot !!
dannian you must have been born with some kind of musical gene the rest of us dumbfcuks simply lack … your telling the guy to basically give up .
Not cool man ![/quote]
O yeah, and people like Mark Zuckerburg just came out the womb with a computer right?
Ridicoulous advice…
Yeah, some people are naturally talented in music, but that doesnt mean others cant gain skill either.
Considering the stated just made pizza sauce a “vegetable” I figure a weight loss anaolgy would be fitting here.
Some people are just born skinny, are skinny, and will always be skinny no matter how many double cheesburgers they pound back. Whereas others have to watch what they eat and whatnot. So someone who’s always skinny wont have to put much effort into keep the weight off, whereas the other person (like me) has to work their *** off at the gym and be conscious of what I eat. Either way, both people end up in the same spot.
Same for music… If you have a natural talent, you still have to work at it, just not as hard. If you have less talent, you just have to compensate for it by putting more hours into your craft! There’s nothing that you cant do if you lock yourself in a room for a couple of years and practice your a$$ off.
[quote]egg2 (25/11/2011)The single most useless piece of advice i’ve ever heard the whole time i’ve been involved in music production and total ***** to boot !!
daniaan you must have been born with some kind of musical gene the rest of us dumbfcuks simply lack … your telling the guy to basically give up .
Not cool man ![/quote]
You might read the other post I made in this thread as well egg:
[quote]All I’m trying to make clear is that certain people out there have that gift of musicality. It comes natural to those.
I think music is a prime need, so you shouldn’t stop making music if you love to make it. But you do not have to compare your self with the gifted ones if you’re not.[/quote]
I’m not saying he should quit. Why quit your hobby? Why quit something you like doing? Expect of course if it’s against the law
Please, do make music, enjoy yourselves. But eventually you should come to terms that you’ll never become a Michel Cleis, Luciano, Eric Morillo, Mark Knight, or whoever you like, if you, after years and years of reading and trying, are still not capable of making anything sound good.
To be fair daniaan, kwigmyre did mention in his second post that he had no hopes of super stardom, so at this stage you’re being deliberately negative and quite patronizing.
This site is called Sonic Academy. Sonic - as in sound, Academy - as in a place of learning.
Please don’t take this the wrong way, but judging by your soundcloud I can only assume you’re here for the same reasons as me, with the main difference being that you use loops to help give your tracks a good sound.
Personally I’m interested in things like how Marcel Dettmann can inject so much interest / information in a kick and hat like in the opening bars of tracks like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0SxeDNDxCk
BURNNNNN!!!
ROFL
:hehe:
This thread is going to be a flame war from here on out…
@ Sam
That whole Berghain stuff - Its all reverbs & chorus - subtle changes.
Dunno if they use analog - even if they arnt, the stuff stays the same, but it sounds alive. Theres lots of subtle modulation going on.
Automation, or velocity changes - things like the Velocity Plug in Live, with a little random thrown up. Little bits of random pan on hats etc… Maybe even pitch being lfo’d. Simpler is great. Dettmann uses Live.
Grainy plate reverbs… on short decays. EQ tops pulled down. Everything seems to have a bit of dirt which adds to the overall thing.
Reverb on the kick too. Kick channel with send to bus with a reverb & compressor. Theres lots of nice Reverb / delay / chorus / analogy fx in the audio fx racks. Check them out, cos I reckon those tracks were made with presets.
I think the final bit in the process is the mastering. It really makes stuff sound unlike it does when its “unmastered”. When you have little bits of reverb & stuff flying around the place, then stick a load of “glue” on the master - you can hear it forming into a solid slab.
THats what I think anyway
Love this Dettmann track - so raw - [url]Marcel Dettmann - Plain (original) - YouTube
[quote]FlyingYeti (29/11/2011)[hr]This thread is going to be a flame war from here on out… :P[/quote]
Cool - lol :w00t:
@ ICN
That track is mental, love it
I can definitely see what you’re talking about in relation to this one. There’s just enough of each element to make it funk without being overpowering, and enough variation to keep it fascinating. Seems to be all about the subtlety.
I find it too easy to go overboard with everything and get into a cycle where each element I add changes the whole direction of the track…
Sorry for the flames 
my mistake for a while was trying to get things really clear but by doing it too many things are ‘up front’.turn things down and concentrate on the main parts you like.alot of high frequency sounds like rides can be shockingly low in the mix.i read somewhere that whens kings of leon started they had amazingly written songs,structures and lyrics but couldn’t play together well at all and were at best average to see live but the foundations of what they were doing was the unique part.we’ve all had records or music files that are great tracks but lack the dynamics and sonics that the top producers are turning out.i would always look for these artists again because i know that they make good music.i would say try not to process stuff just layer things using your ear.its working for me.