[quote]Roben (20/04/2011)[hr]
The beatport top 10 is usually full of crap, maybe this explains it![/quote]
+1 DJ charts are much more worth looking at.
yah DJ charts for sure. I just follow my favorite labels and listen 2 what they put out.
Not something i’d ever do myself. I’d prefer to see what people really think and i would only really be pleased with a chart position if i knew i got it on the quality of the track and not how much i spent.
Who wants a number one that you have bought? Doesn’t show your skillful
Thats my opinion anyway
Well I dont think its just about gettimg a number one I think its more about promoting yoirself. How many tracks do you revkon yoi meed to sell to get into the beatport top 10?
Well I dont think its just about gettimg a number one I think its more about promoting yoirself. How many tracks do you revkon yoi meed to sell to get into the beatport top 10?
Its Tracks Jan - Not posts 
Never looked at the charts…I like what I like and I stand by that.
I rather listen to a LP that somebody put together and is only heard by a few mates round somebodies flat with a few J’s than the product placed, mass produced garbage that passes as “cutting edge” nowdays.
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If I totally believed in my track and I was unknown. And had the money. Sure I’d buy 1000-10000 copies. I personally couldn’t give a **** if people thought it was wrong. As far as business goes, It’s the clever move. 
[quote]krisroberts (21/04/2011)[hr]If I totally believed in my track and I was unknown. And had the money. Sure I’d buy 1000-10000 copies. I personally couldn’t give a **** if people thought it was wrong. As far as business goes, It’s the clever move. :)[/quote]
I completely agree with this It’s a great way to market a track/artist.
I dunno the risk is that you see your track drop instantly the moment you stop buying it…
Not really because we all know there are sht “DJs” out there that have no style, talent or originality who just download and play the Beatport Top 10. So they’ll buy it at very least.
People like ourselves who have an ear for music though wont buy if the track is sht, regardless if it’s in the Top 10 or not.
No disrespect to the folks who think it is a good idea but personally if I was so desperate and unsure of my talent to resort to buying my tracks in the 100’s I should really think about quitting and taking up a less expensive hobby
Sure secretly we all would like to be up there with the big boys and girls but to what extent and measures would we actually do to get there. In my eyes its cheating not only to anybody who may listen to your tracks and follow you but most of all its cheating to yourself
Maybe its just me or certainly the music I produce but I will never be in the top 10 which I am totally fine with - doubt I’ll ever make a living out of it, would be cool to do some gigs and get paid however for me its about my love for the music (if you can call it that)
I do get annoyed at the wannabe’s (not saying there are any here Jan - omly joking) for a number of reasons
A) They try and emulate their idols and therefore opress their own skills and talent if they are there in the first place
B) They prevent real talented music producers getting recognised
C) They have this air of arrogance about them
D) They are probably unaware of what’s actually happening in the real world or if they are their lives are so desperate they will do anything to get out - and I do beleive with any artist real life experincess will only help you be more creative
Ok I know I am generalising alot but I am sure you get my gist
B)
[quote]slender (21/04/2011)[hr]No disrespect to the folks who think it is a good idea but personally if I was so desperate and unsure of my talent to resort to buying my tracks in the 100’s I should really think about quitting and taking up a less expensive hobby
Sure secretly we all would like to be up there with the big boys and girls but to what extent and measures would we actually do to get there. In my eyes its cheating not only to anybody who may listen to your tracks and follow you but most of all its cheating to yourself
Maybe its just me or certainly the music I produce but I will never be in the top 10 which I am totally fine with - doubt I’ll ever make a living out of it, would be cool to do some gigs and get paid however for me its about my love for the music (if you can call it that)
I do get annoyed at the wannabe’s (not saying there are any here Jan - omly joking) for a number of reasons
A) They try and emulate their idols and therefore opress their own skills and talent if they are there in the first place
B) They prevent real talented music producers getting recognised
C) They have this air of arrogance about them
D) They are probably unaware of what’s actually happening in the real world or if they are their lives are so desperate they will do anything to get out - and I do beleive with any artist real life experincess will only help you be more creative
Ok I know I am generalising alot but I am sure you get my gist
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Sounds like the Swedish House Mafia!
Also, would it count if in one transaction I bought 500 copies? or even 500 transactions?
Surely in this digital age its a piece of piss to set it up so the chart is based on unique accounts at least.
Still friggable, but much harder.
just so we are clear slender… i never said i thought it was OK to do…
I just know for a fact that bigtime producers do this.
[quote]UnitedVision (21/04/2011)[hr]just so we are clear slender… i never said i thought it was OK to do…
I just know for a fact that bigtime producers do this.[/quote]
Hey mate I know you didn’t - got a guilty concience or something ;):D:w00t:
[quote]slender (21/04/2011)[hr][quote]UnitedVision (21/04/2011)[hr]just so we are clear slender… i never said i thought it was OK to do…
I just know for a fact that bigtime producers do this.[/quote]
Hey mate I know you didn’t - got a guilty concience or something ;):D:w00t:[/quote]
lol. nah just guilty that after my post on the 1st page and people start saying it was OK to do…
and i completely agree with your post about it NOT being oK.
[quote]UnitedVision (21/04/2011)[hr][quote]slender (21/04/2011)[hr][quote]UnitedVision (21/04/2011)[hr]just so we are clear slender… i never said i thought it was OK to do…
I just know for a fact that bigtime producers do this.[/quote]
Hey mate I know you didn’t - got a guilty concience or something ;):D:w00t:[/quote]
lol. nah just guilty that after my post on the 1st page and people start saying it was OK to do…
and i completely agree with your post about it NOT being oK.
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Thanks - thought I would get some angry response to be honest 
Thats true…the big boys do this, and so do a few little ones as well.But the more interesting question that arises from this is having to re-invent yourself every record in order to become that big star.
I guess it human nature to look for the short cut-buy 500 copies here, sell your soul to an A&R man when you are “discovered”-live off the advances in the hope of producing that next big hit…sell your self to the devil.
What you loose in the end is that all important “artistic control” and you end up being the slave-the pressure to produce takes the way the joy of the music, being creating it or listening.
I guess in my own field techno and experimental electronica there is less pressure, but even so the bodies can be found in careers (and personal self distruction-they are connected) of many artists- Richie Hawtin for example underwent a personal transformation in fortune-became huge in Europe through Plastikman,then lost his girlfriend,was prevented in playing in the US, split with his long time associate John Acquaviva and ended up disbanding the +8 label.
He survived by realizing while playing to +10,000 crowds was great for the bank balance, he lost control of the music. His story is worth watching even if you are not a techno-head (I am happy to say his Minus label is even more artistically interesting IMVHO)
My Veoh
To my mind the guys that have shown the way is Moritz Von Oswald and Mark Ernestus (Basic Channel, Chain Reaction, Main Street, Rhythm & Sound). What these guys have done for the world of Techno, House, Dub and indirectly Trance, Drum and Bass and Dub-step (its interesting that people thought that Burial’s LP’s were produced by these guys!) is beyond reproach- Dubplates and Mastering is the premier studio for all manner of productions, while Hard Wax is THE place to get those rare 12" white labels.
I have a rare 2 hour interview with M V O, and while he does not give the secrets way to their sound (and there is also horrible product placement), I think it is essential watching for any young producer-his message “always remain in control”.
http://www.redbullmusicacademy.com/video-archive/lectures/moritz_von_oswald_early_morning_freestyles
A great thread guys-but like I said I just produce for friends…
I found out alot of the djs in Holland do this to get into the dance-tunes.com top 10 as ot grts them reckognition and gigs. They spend like 1000 euros to do it and see it as n investment. Also remember if they were to release it on their own label, they would get alot of the money back…
I’m not sure guys, anyone remember when they were trying to get that Sufin Bird tune to the UK christmas number 1?
Well there was information on how to do it and you couldn’t simply buy lots of the same copy, well… you could, but it wouldnt get counted as an extra unit, as it was by the same buyer. Some stores even only allow you to buy maximum 2 copies.
The only way around it was to buy say a couple of copies from itunes, then another couple from amazon, then so forth…