guys im havin problems comin in and out of breakdowns and the break itself!!!
just the way they are composed and how to drop out of the beats into the breakdown
this is maybe a hard question, but, any1 got any tips???
this is another reason why im eagerly awaitin the trance tut!!!
dude, you have to build up tension. I have two easy tips for ya.
- have you watched all the other videos? i really believe that another tutorial is gonna something different then hasnt already been taught in other videos. Watch them ALL! They can all teach you something. Now practice and apply what you learned. There has been one progressive house and one tech trance tutorial which those alone should serve to answer the majority of your questions.
- listen to your favorite music and try to emulate what they are doing. Dont know what they are doing? Revert to question #1.
your probably right!!
i’ve watched the tech trance and the prog tut AND i listen to the music i like all the time but something aint clickin with this break situation!!!
i’ll just have to knuckle down!!!
Yeah transitions are definitely my weak point. I found that HP filter rises help lift it up before your main drop and holding the last note of your phrase for a bar or two during the rise helps create some tension IMO. Also delay automation will get that cool infinite recycling vibe going which helps with tension. Tension and release is crucial.
I have a specific way i create my own tension, however I will give a little insight and you can develop it yourself, which is what i had to do. You need to focus on motion. When i say motion, I mean everything has to move around.
Also, when you listen to your favorite music, what happens in the breakdown? Please tell me. Explain to me what you are hearing.
well…
in the last 8 or 16 bars before the break a sound, being the riff coming in or pads or
whatever, will continue into the break when the kickdrum stops. this always happens.
then the break just evolves into whatever the producer has chosen to do…
It’s all about building up tension and energy and when it alll comes back in an explosion of energy. Listen to your favourite tracks and see how they do it just try to recreate it.
[quote]georgekadar (07/10/2010)[hr]well…
in the last 8 or 16 bars before the break a sound, being the riff coming in or pads or
whatever, will continue into the break when the kickdrum stops. this always happens.
then the break just evolves into whatever the producer has chosen to do…[/quote]
ok, well just because you hear it often doesnt mean that it has to happen that way all the time. and on the other note, why dont you just do that then?
i think my problem is that im tryin to perfect things to soon!!!
keep it simple dude - dont over think it
Load up a track into ableton, something like Thomas Bronzwaer, collider, jan van deynhoven remix and try copying the structure, brakes, fills, the way the hi hat filter and leads filter, what come in when and goes away when. listen to when the bass goes away and how its replace with a single kick and reverb boom and then a bass pad with the fx etc etc. copy it, it will help you learn how its done.
Dont just listen via media player or whatever, its helped me millions by loading it into ableton so I could to where and what was going on…
They have to suit the track, this is the most important part to me. when you go into a break and then come out it’s no good building huge amounts of tension if the rest of the track isn’t that way its not gonna suit building a hardstyle snare roll into a ambient track much the same as its not gonna work slowly building down a dirty electro track.
I personally think the reason i don’t like my music at the moment is because your tracks are only as good as the weakest part and mine suck at the transitions. the worst part for me and probably is the same with the rest of you guys, its not that you don’t know how to do it or what it involves ITS THE FACT WE ARE TOO LAZY TO IMPLEMENT WHAT WE KNOW.
[quote]jon_fisher (10/10/2010)[hr] ITS THE FACT WE ARE TOO LAZY TO IMPLEMENT WHAT WE KNOW.[/quote]
totally agree
I find that getting the main elements of what you’ve got together & then jamming them out a bit gives you some real food for thought.
Theres definitely no formula as to A + B - C = Good. Some basics like white noise / riser, of course… But jamming is cool cos you come up with different stuff / Sequences of Mute & Unmute / Volume fades etc… that you wouldnt normally have ever thought to put together. You can groove along to the music & “feel” what should happen next.
Also - Its easier to get some quick happy accidents in a completely organic way, rather than staring at the arrange wondering WTF?!!?!
GO GO Spontaneity! :hehe:
Even just assigning something to a filter on a synth can get the Brain engaged to what you’re doing.
After a few Jam’s, I find that I have a good idea of where I want to take the track. Having the discipline to actually finish is is another thing altogether! LOL
[quote]jon_fisher (10/10/2010)[hr]ITS THE FACT WE ARE TOO LAZY TO IMPLEMENT WHAT WE KNOW.[/quote]
it that what people think like your not gonna get very far I think.
I am defo not lazy when it comes to this.
Get it sort everyone, you can do this half arsed!
You need to give it 150%, 150% of the time!
[quote]gofunk (11/10/2010)[hr][quote]jon_fisher (10/10/2010)[hr]ITS THE FACT WE ARE TOO LAZY TO IMPLEMENT WHAT WE KNOW.[/quote]
it that what people think like your not gonna get very far I think.
I am defo not lazy when it comes to this.
Get it sort everyone, you can do this half arsed!
You need to give it 150%, 150% of the time![/quote]
By definition its impossible to give more than 100% but i know what you mean. when i say we are too lazy, i don’t mean in the i can’t be arsed altogether sense but more in the fact that there is always something else that needs tightening or polishing i our productions that maybe we feel more confident in our abilities. with this in mind when we get options we will usually take the easier route (Its Human Nature) besides i’m sure that there are many of the top producers have finished many tracks with the “That will Do attitude” knowing they could have done some parts much better.
[quote][b]jon_fisher (14/10/2010)
By definition its impossible to give more than 100% :)[/quote]
I knew some smart arse would say that lol