Ok kinda going on from a discussion I made before about how our countries, our up bringing, our neighbourhood, our friends, our family, media, our surroundings and other elements can make up who we are as a person and influence our belief systems.
I’m a social people watcher, as in, i love to watch and socially analyse and try to understand, i notice patterns in people and behaviours. I find it really fascinating, especially when I travel to other countries, to watch and see how people live and act, how they can be different to how my own british culture live and act. I’ve always been highly into psychology and NLP and have read some stuff on the subjects, although a lot of it tends to focus more on the individual rather than the collective or a nation.
I find it fascinating how you can watch a group of friends from a social backing in any nation, be it their collective love for ‘Greenday’, ‘Basshunter’ or even their passion for ‘Reading’ or ‘Boxing’.
Each ‘group’ or ‘collective’ have their own sayings, ways they act, ways they talk and dress, views on life.
Even if it’s two different groups with the same passion/ hobby from different parts of the country, they will have similar ways. That in turn makes them the ‘collective’.
For an easier example to what I’m talking about, and just to use as example really other than ‘picking them out’ but you can look at British Chavs and Emos, now these are easy collectives to look at and socially analyse.
You can find two seperate groups of chavs from opposite ends of the country and they will still have very similar likes / dislikes, mannerisms, attitude to each other, where as a group of 'emo’s in the same town as them could be completely different.
Yet those emos would have similar likes / dislikes, mannerisms, attitude to another group of emos from yet again the other side of the country.
Now these are just small social groups within a nation, the nation as a whole has it’s own ‘over all’ beliefs / act / thoughts, which are completely different to that of another nation.
No matter what country you go too, if you look and study, you’ll notice they all have similarities and mannerisms and ‘way of being’ with their surrounding counter parts.
You ever meet spanish people? Or polish people? or Australian people? Or Chinese people? etc You will find and notice similarities in their ‘way of being’ as their national counter parts.
Sorry for the ramble and I know some of you may not be open minded enough to understand, and that’s not your fault, that’s just who you are as a being, but I find the whole thing really fascinating and it’s why I love people and travel.
I understand. Fascinates me too
Thats Sociology Rob. Very interesting Topic.
Anthropology no?
ornithology my favourite:)
Feel so boring writing this… but:
AFAIK - & I’m not checking Google here… Anthropology is study of old, lost civilisations kinda thing. Who are we, where did we begin as a species & our journey since…
Sociology is a social science - a study of modern groups, social structure, culture, class mobility, economics etc… backed up with scientific data.
The lines are pretty blurred between them. As time goes on, more is known & there are less opportunities to do new research for anthropology.
I think its actually a “joke” thats shared between the 2 disciplines - that Anthropology is studying Sociological topics… They probably LOL about it! 
Please, anyone, correct me if I’m wrong… just taking all that from a Hayfever encrusted mind 
[quote]ICN (03/09/2010)[hr]Feel so boring writing this… but:
AFAIK - & I’m not checking Google here… Anthropology is study of old, lost civilisations kinda thing. Who are we, where did we begin as a species& our journey since…
Sociology is a social science - a study of modern groups, social structure, culture, class mobility, economics etc… backed up with scientific data.
The lines are pretty blurred between them. As time goes on,more is known & there are less opportunities todo new research for anthropology.
I think its actually a"joke" thats shared between the 2 disciplines - that Anthropology is studying Sociological topics… They probably LOL about it!
Please, anyone, correct me if I’m wrong… just taking all that from a Hayfever encrusted mind [/quote]
So there is a name for it all then! 
Both of the above highly interest me, i’m going to have to Amazon.co.uk some of those for related books I think.
I do find that Discovery (sky) does come out with some amazing documentrys sometimes but i’ve never really found / seen anything that covers Sociology.
I am always on this quest to understand and learn about people, culture and beliefs.
I notice one big major thing that ties all people in all cultures and backgrounds…
Something I call ‘Sheep Factor’.
It’s where people will do, follow, say or think as the person next door to them, because they believe ‘it’s how it should be’, ‘that is the norm’, etc.
You see it everywhere in anything you look at, even down to simple things like you painting your house and then within weeks you notice your neighbours doing the same thing.
I ask many questions in life.
What is ‘normal’? Take a moment to think about that for a second, what IS normal? What ever defined something as being ‘normal’? Is ‘normal’ for one person ‘un-normal’ for another? Is ‘normal’ defined by social pressure and surroundings?
Too many people are never the person they want to be I believe because they give in to social and peer pressure, because they lack the self confidence to follow their own path, their own beliefs, they’re own passions, desires and dreams.
Haha! So many questions!
Just buy this book Rob… Good value 2nd hand.
Its a Big Un, but has everything in it.
Well written & funny in places. Good writing style - easy to read, yet full.
Covers all you’ve asked there about Norms, Values, Components of Culture - How we’re programmed to be in a certain Groups & why we behave in certain ways etc…
Very interesting if you are interested in it! :hehe:
Cheers ICN! Will defo have to get that book !
This is mad, i’ve just been doing some google / yt research and it blows my mind that people have actually made jobs and university courses out of this kinda way of thinking. I mean i’ve heard of Sociology before don’t get me wrong, I just never actually knew what it was 
This from 55 seconds what the guy says is so spot on, it’s what i’ve always thought and believed in.
ICN, you say you’ve read the book, did you study socialogy or something?
Thats what makes it so interesting… its something that everyone knows.
Sociology just creates terminology for it & backs it up with statistical data.
Whether or not its a fact, is open to interpretation depending on what you believe. Thats the interesting bit of it. I’m doing it in College atm.
A couple of entertaining topics are:
Harlow & The Rhesus Monkeys.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Harlow[/url]
Feral Children
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feral_child[/url]
Feral Kids - Genie
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie_(feral_child)[/url]
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Going a bit deeper…
A little bit of Psychology… But related:
Piaget - Stages of Development (This Guys theories shaped Education systems in pretty much every country)
Attachment
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attachment_theory[/url]
Kohlberg - Moral Development
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kohlberg’s_stages_of_moral_development[/url]
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WTF??! This is the most interesting sh*t i’ve seen on the forums in a long time!!
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WTF??! This is the most interesting sh*t i’ve seen on the forums in a long time!![/quote]
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[quote]roben (03/09/2010)[hr][quote]ICN (03/09/2010)[hr]
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WTF??! This is the most interesting sh*t i’ve seen on the forums in a long time!![/quote]
I used to study sociology for 3 years from 15 yrs old to now it was my own study i didnt really go to school and studied it but i bought some books and found internet resources it was fascinating to me learning this its weird but i have met so many producers who are interested on this subject i always wondered why…but i stopped following mankind to avoid the disgrace of the close minded culprits.
[quote]ICN (03/09/2010)[hr]Thats what makes it so interesting… its something that everyone knows.
Sociology just creates terminology for it & backs it up with statistical data.
Whether or not its a fact, is open to interpretation depending on what you believe. Thats the interesting bit of it. I’m doing it in College atm.
A couple of entertainingtopics are:
Harlow & The Rhesus Monkeys.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Harlow[/url]
Feral Children
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feral_child[/url]
Feral Kids - Genie
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie_(feral_child)[/url]
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Going abit deeper…
A little bit of Psychology… But related:
Piaget - Stages of Development(This Guys theories shaped Education systems in pretty much every country)
[url]Jean Piaget - Wikipedia
Attachment
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attachment_theory[/url]
Kohlberg - Moral Development
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kohlberg’s_stages_of_moral_development[/url]
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**** i read some other good ones but i didnt bookmark them 
[quote]roben (03/09/2010)[hr]Ok kinda going on from a discussion I made before about how our countries, our up bringing, our neighbourhood, our friends, our family, media, our surroundings and other elements can make up who we are as a person and influence our belief systems.
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if you look deeper into this what with you being into your martial arts that most forms of fighting are influenced by their surroundings in fact most styles with in a form of fighting are influenced this way too.
True that Jon!
Hey, i found this, you may find it interesting to watch, it’s crazy to see how much boxing has developed than to it’s early days.
Looked more like girls slapping in the early day lol
May look like slapping but those guys were crazy. They used to go with no set amount of rounds. A fight wasn’t over until someone either gave up or got knocked out. Fighters like Jack Dempsey would sometimes go 40 rounds and the longest recorded boxing match was 110 rounds which took 7hrs and 14 minutes. They jus don’t build em like they used too.
[quote]jbachjr78 (04/09/2010)[hr]May look like slapping but those guys were crazy. They used to go with no set amount of rounds. A fight wasn’t over until someone either gave up or got knocked out. Fighters like Jack Dempsey would sometimes go 40 rounds and the longest recorded boxing match was 110 rounds which took 7hrs and 14 minutes. They jus don’t build em like they used too.[/quote]
7 hours?!?! I can’t sleep that long!
[quote]jbachjr78 (04/09/2010)[hr]May look like slapping but those guys were crazy. They used to go with no set amount of rounds. A fight wasn’t over until someone either gave up or got knocked out. Fighters like Jack Dempsey would sometimes go 40 rounds and the longest recorded boxing match was 110 rounds which took 7hrs and 14 minutes. They jus don’t build em like they used too.[/quote]
Andy Bowen and Jack Burke, there was also another fight that only came to a stop because the police came in an broke it up as the license for fighting had expired but those where all Gloved fights. I read somewhere that there was once a Bare Knuckle fight that lasted over 140 rounds, this would have been Pre Marquess of Queensberry Rules 1867 were wrestling was still ok and Many of the Timed rounds were not very accurately time kept.
even early MOQ rulings lets one boxer stand over another boxer while being counted, once the downed boxer had the bottoms of his feet on the canvas and starting to stand the other boxer was legally able to continue punching.