Out of curiosity David does that mean that people who produce, what you think is, crap music dont deserve money for their hard work?
K im downloading every brostep track out there!
Only taking the piss btw, I get what your saying…
No it’s a valid point!
Should people always pay for what i might call ‘crap’ music?
I would say that, even to produce music that alot of people would consider not that great i.e highly commercialised music, that is simply made to try and make money by getting in the top 40, for example - it still takes a dedicated team of highly-skilled professionals alot of time to get the sound quality that you need for such a high-profile release.
The people that have contributed to getting this sound quality deserve to be paid for their hard work i.e the sound engineers, arrangers etc.
No doubt they have all worked hard for many years learning their craft - anyone who has tried to make professional sounding music will know that it’s not easy to get that kind of sound quality!
[quote]jwalley08 (15/01/2011)[hr]
In the end, every kid comes up with the same regurgitated “I’m just a college kid and I’m broke” justification. Whether or not that’s a bs response isn’t for me to debate.[/quote]
believe it or not there is a lot of truth in this. and not just college kids!! all kids!! just being a kid your going to try and get for free!!!
do you remember KazAA?? audio galazy?? we all did it!! when we didn’t have the money!!
Slender is right the the music industry has to come up with a better way to protect their artist and their sales.
i pay for all my tracks now…so those artist can keep making more!!!:D;)
Yeah i used Kazaa and so forth when i was young - mind you, this was some years ago now, so it was quite a novelty thing back then, and because it was new, there was no way we could understand the possible ramifications that illegal downloading might have on the music industry!
So i guess things are different now, even for kids. The general concensus in this day and age, is that they are doing some ‘damage’ to the music industry by illegal downloading in one way or another, so they need to be educated so they understand that if they never buy any music, it may mean that less of the music that they love, gets created in the future!
Of course this won’t stop everyone doing it - but hopefully it might stop some, which would be a positive.
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Because it’s easy, because they can and because they are unlikely to be prosectuted. (You are more likely to be mugged by a badger with a wooden spoon.)br
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Dance music is now more disposable. Artists AND labels are being ripped off in ever increasing amounts for what in most cases may be many many hard months of work.br
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Free distribution of music to the far corners of the planet. 500,000 illegal downloads of a tune may generate a further 50,000 more legal downloads. br
If the tune wasn’t any good, no one would want it. br
Also people do change. After a few years of d’l illegally, people generate a passion for collecting which they are more than happy to pay for once their financial situation changes, (or they simply just grow up !)br
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Websites owners of share sites such as Pirate-Bay end up having their cases thrown out of count on technicalities because the courts do not understand the technical processes involved. Sites like Demonoid get taken down, then pop up again months later with their servers in a country that doesn’t care about the laws they are flaunting.br
With unrestricted internet these days, it’s unlikely that there will ever be a solution without some funky new form of downloadable content recognition system. Imagine someone getting half way thru a set, and their tune hits a piece of code that cuts into, “THIS TRACK HAS BEEN DOWNLOADED ILLEGALLY”. br
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That’d do it !
You know, the simple fact of the matter is - if your music is truly outstanding - you’re always, alwaysnbsp;going to be able to make money out of it!
I used Napster way back when around 2000-2002 to get my hands on rare remixes that I couldnt find vinyl for, but only for listening at home.br
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The odd time now, I will download a tune off Youtube if I cant find it anywhere to buy, there are lots of Drum and Bass VIP mixes, that are on youtube but will never get released. I download these for my convenience of listening at home or on the move on my ipod. I never use these youtube rips in any mixes I do and post online, because as they have not been released, it is sure I have obtained it from a 3rd party source like youtube, and the sound quality is usually crap. If the tune does see a release I buy it so I can put it in a mix.br
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I buy all tunes that are available, and only use purchased music in any mixes, and if I ever played live(years ago Djing at small parties) everything played was bought.br
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Artists need money or they cant make a living. In a perfect world we could work a way that they could all tour and that, and make a respectable living.br
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I think some of the backlash of downloading has become because of the outrageous money they made previously. There was a symptom of people thinking, stuff it they have enough already, not realizing the knock on effect it would have on newer and lower profile artists.br
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Bottom line, if you like it, buy it, support the artist, help them be able to continue to bring us the good stuff. br
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Then again I can afford to buy a good amount of music, affordability will change peoples ways very easily, especially in this economy!
I think things are heading in the right direction With the DMCA… It much easier to get individual links taken off bigger sites like youtube google etc.br
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Although stuff just gets re-uped quickly… New amendmeds are being passed to come down hard on sites that are repeat offedrs.br
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I think ultimatly when it becomes harder to just search on google etc.it will be less easy to find stuff and it will go back ti the days of hotwire and private servers which was a more underground, smaller situation.
I think that people are forgetting the real factors in pirated music. People are downloading music because they can’t afford to buy it. If they couldn’t afford to buy it in the first place, the artists haven’t lost any money. In reality, the music industry encourages illegal downloads. If a label allows illegal downloads of their music, they’re increasing the chances of it being played publicly and in front of friends, hence increasing the chances that those people will then buy it (or download it illegally).br
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Really, second hand sales make more of an impact than illegal downloading, because cash is being paid, but the label/artist isn’t receiving it.br
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This may sound ridiculous, but this has been the case for all three of the labels I have worked for, and in extreme cases, I have been asked to upload illegal copies of music myself when no-one else already has.br
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Also, considering that tracks are really around £1.30 each for club-playable-quality, and a DJ can have upwards of 7000 tracks in their collection, that’s £9000 just on music. My collection is a lot larger than that as I generally download around 3 EPs every other day. That’s at least 1000 tracks and £1300 a year. As a matter of fact I do purchase all of this, but know (and respect) that many DJs on my label don’t. Especially in the UK, we are having trouble keeping businesses open, and even insuring our cars, so we can’t go spending copious amounts on music.br
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I really don’t think that illegal downloads affects us at all.
I spend a lot less on music these days than when I did when it was all printed on vinyl. People these days have it cheap and easy, so to say they simply can’t afford it sounds ridiculous to me. br
The other day I picked up 3 tracks for around £4, that’s a total bargin, a few years back I’d have been pleased that I managed to get 1 track on vinyl at that price.
And those were the days when DJs would have maybe up to 100 records in their collection; things have changed. People collect music for the sake of collecting now (me being one them).
It’s more ‘throwaway’ now though. When music cost more then the track had to be extra special for you to part with your cash, so in turn a DJs record collection was special, it was special because each track connected to the DJ enough for them to part with that cash to buy it. br
Now because it’s free or cheap it doesn’t matter so much, so you only need to half like the track - sometimes not at all - before you add it to your collection.br
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A DJs collection these days aren’t as valuable as it used to be, not just financially but emotionally.br
I download all my music “illegally” but it’s also annoying having to wait for some realeses that come out on less popular labels I like and having to search for the .mp3 on google every couple of days until somebody decides to upload it to the rest of the world.br
I would love to be able to pay for all my music, and I plan to in the future, but as a jobless high school student I simply just don’t have the money.