I think there just just be a run through of EQing like the Compressors and Reverbs… i often dont understand what i need to do to clean up my sounds so i think this tut would help…
+1
[quote]bobby lupo (16/08/2010)[hr]As you probably all know you can equalize at different stages:
- each individual instrument in solo on its way to the multitrack
- each individual instrument in solo during mixdown (a little eq)
- each instrument relative to eachother during mixdown
- entire mix in the mastering stage
Don’t use any effects like reverbs, echoes before the equalizing stage !
- Bass zone 40-200Hz
Instruments Bottom 40-100Hz:
Bass-Kick-Floor Toms-Vocals-Piano-Organ-Cello/Double Bass/Percussion (bongos-congas)
Instruments Fullness 100-200Hz:
Bass-Kick-Snare-All Toms-Vocals-Piano-Guitars-Organ-Cello/Double Bass/Horns/ Percussion (bongos-congas)
– decide which instruments should take care of the bottom 40-100Hz
*MAKE SURE
– if you didn’t at the second stage “each individual instrument in solo during mixdown (a little eq)” solo each
instrument and clean them up by throwing away all unnecessary frequencies
– solo the instrument which sounds the best to your opinion
– check this one together with the worst sounding instrument and get them sounding as transparent as possible
together and listen in mono (one speaker)
– now you have a good transparent foundation and add the next instrument and make them sound transparent as
well with the three together. Repeat the same steps with all the following instruments and listen in mono. You will
see that you will getting to know the bottom of your mix very well and that you will treat each added instrument
serving the others
- Muddiness zone 200-800Hz
Instruments:
Bass-Kick-Snare-All Toms-Hi Hat Cymbals-Vocals-Piano-Guitars-Organ-Cello/Double Bass/Horns
If you didn’t at the second stage “each individual instrument in solo during mixdown Most of the mudd is in the
280-350Hz range.Repeat all the steps of 1) from “solo the instrument which sounds the best to your opinion”(Mixing each instrument relative to eachother in the third stage)
- Midrange 800-5 Khz
Instruments:
Bass-All Toms-Hi Hat Cymbals-Vocals-Piano-Electric Guitar-Strings
– Check the Piano for muddiness in this range.
– Check the folowing instruments for presence: Bass-All Toms-Vocals- Piano
– Check the following instruments for irritation: Hi Hat Cymbals-Electric guitar-Strings
Repeat all the steps of 1) from “solo the instrument which sounds the best to your opinion”
- Highs 5-8 Khz
Instruments:
Bass-Kick-Snare-Toms-Hi Hat Cymbals-Vocals-Piano-Guitars-Organ-Strings/Horns/ Percussion
This range is for the high ends of Bass Kick and Toms and clarity for the others.
In this range you can get real presence for the snare.
Repeat all the steps of 1) from “solo the instrument which sounds the best to your opinion”
- Hi Highs > 8 Khz
Instruments:
Hi hat Cymbals-Vocals-Piano-Guitars-Strings
Here you can get the sparkling and hisses of the instruments.
IN THIS WAY YOU WILL GET TO KNOW ALL THE FREQUENCIES OF YOUR MIX IN DIFFERENT AREAS.
Get rid of unnecessary frequencies of your instrument before
mixing together !
The reason I set up this step to step guideline is to start your mix as clean as possible and use only the
necessary frequencies of your instruments.
Before you start the mixing process of the instruments together do following:
First Target: knowing all the frequencies below the midrange (below about 800Hz)
- Solo your instrument, for instance an acoustic guitar
- Insert an equalizer
- Use a high pass (low cut) filter with the steepest setting you can get
- First listen to your instrument how it sounds without any processing
- Now start your low cut filter slowly from the bottom 20Hz and go upwards and listen and notice where you
firs thear the bottom of your instrument change and stop
- Take a pen and write down at what frequency, for example at 100Hz
(Get rid of unnecessary frequencies of your instrument before mixing together)
- Do it again and stop at the at 800Hz
- Listen now with and without the equalizer several times
Second target: limit the bottom of your intrument
- Start your low cut filter at the change point you wrote down (in my example at 100Hz)
- Now slowly move it upwards and stop at the point you think your instrument still sounds good in the bottom
- Do it again and decide where you set the cut off frequency. This could be right at 100 Hz or at 130Hz or elsewhere
- Leave it this way: you just limited the bottom
Third target: knowing all the frequencies above the midrange (about 5 Khz)
- We continue using the same instrument and the same equalizer
- Use a low pass (high cut) filter with the steepest setting
(Get rid of unnecessary frequencies of your instrument before mixing together)
- Listen first again without any processing and start at the top 20Khz down and stop at the point where your instrument
changes
- Take a pen and write down at what frequency, for example at 12Khz
- Do it again and stop at 5Khz
- Listen now with and without the equalizer several times
Fourth target: limit the top of your instrument
- Start your high cut filter at the change point you wrote down (in my example at 12Khz)
- Now slowly move it down and stop at the point you think your instrument still sounds good in the highs
- Do it again and decide where you set the cut off frequency. This could be right at 12Khz or at 11Khz or elsewhere
- Leave it this way: you just limited the top frequencies
sorry double :doze:
[quote]slender (19/08/2010)[hr][quote]bobby lupo (16/08/2010)[hr]
Don’t use any effects like reverbs, echoes before the equalizing stage !
[/quote]
Whys that then ?
[quote]egg2 (19/08/2010)[hr][quote]slender (19/08/2010)[hr][quote]bobby lupo (16/08/2010)[hr]
Don’t use any effects like reverbs, echoes before the equalizing stage !
[/quote]
Whys that then ?[/quote]
applying these fx prior to removing any unnecessary freqs is just adding fx to the problem areas, if you want any sort of depth to your mixes the fx return channels need proper gain staging,eqs or filter(s) aswell.you dont want some delay effect sitting in the exact same space as the original signal,think about it…if it did it would be 2 dimensional and thats a pointless exercise.
i don’t understand why people post lists like this, when these list are written they are usually based around a specific sound and do more to confuse beginners than they do help. in most cases they are no more use than someone posting up a list of compressor settings.
[quote]jon_fisher (23/08/2010)[hr]i don’t understand why people post lists like this, when these list are written they are usually based around a specific sound and do more to confuse beginners than they do help. in most cases they are no more use than someone posting up a list of compressor settings.[/quote]
that list is not a list of generic settings but how an engineer would approach mixing your stems if you brought them to his studio.this advice is the culmination of information from a discussion had by myself and some very famous mix/mastering engineers on a forum i frequent.the info was then taken from our discussions by some warez kid looking to boost his reputation and printed in a pdf file and distributed on various warez sites.theres multiple clues within that last sentence so be a detective because i will not advertise these sites or why i monitor a couple of them.i do know that a couple of you cant help but to go to 2 in particular and spread all of sonics stuff.not cool.
try it jon,your mixes will sound better than they ever have and take a lot less time.trust me.
i hope that ****s not aimed at me
I wish i knew some famous mixing engineers that i could talk to man then i would be really really good at mixing 
[quote]jon_fisher (23/08/2010)[hr]i hope that ****s not aimed at me[/quote]
no not at all.
[quote]egg2 (23/08/2010)[hr]I wish i knew some famous mixing engineers that i could talk to man then i would be really really good at mixing :)[/quote]
no,you would just know how to actually go about it,being “really really good” can only come from you.
[quote]bobby lupo (23/08/2010)[hr][quote]egg2 (23/08/2010)[hr]I wish i knew some famous mixing engineers that i could talk to man then i would be really really good at mixing :)[/quote]
no,you would just know how to actually go about it,being “really really good” can only come from you.[/quote]
??? please …
i would definately agree to an E.Q tech tip or an understanding E.Q tutorial.
i struggle getting my sounds to fit properly or get them sounding as good as they can!!
[quote]georgekadar (23/08/2010)[hr]
i struggle getting my sounds to fit properly or get them sounding as good as they can!![/quote]
follow the advice on the previous page then.
Right thats it you moron dont quote people on this site with your im so knowledgeable "read the previous page then "
WTF is that ? you get your **** from other peoples threads and plagureise it man .
Dont lie it wont work
George was agreeing to a eq tech tip ,dont condesend people here ,it may work on other forums you “frequent” but dont do it here Full stop
its on like donkey kong !
[quote]egg2 (24/08/2010)[hr]Right thats it you moron dont quote people on this site with your im so knowledgeable "read the previouspage then "
WTF is that ? you get your **** from other peoples threads and plagureise it man .
Dont lie it wont work
Georgewas agreeing to a eq tech tip ,dont condesend people here,it may work on other forums you “frequent” but dont do it here Full stop
its on like donkey kong ![/quote]
get my info from other peoples threads?are you alright?that was my post originally and the person that posted it within this thread was kind enough to quote it as such.i dont understand how placing info about this stuff on a forum/site dedicated to it could spark this sort of reaction.nothings on because ill just go away,im not interested in internet arguments.
[quote] its on like donkey kong ![/quote]
LMFAO!!! i just Pissed my pants and cried a little when i read that i just got this mental image of you out side a pub or take away starting a fight with some One and in a really Camp “gay” (stereo type i know) sounding voice shouting.
“Oh it’s on! It’s on like Donkey Kong” :w00t:
seriously Crying hahahahaha
[quote]bobby lupo (23/08/2010)[hr][quote]georgekadar (23/08/2010)[hr]
i struggle getting my sounds to fit properly or get them sounding as good as they can!![/quote]
follow the advice on the previous page then.[/quote]
na mate. i’ll pass on that advice
tech tip would be great though! like a sort of carry on from reverb and compression. then a delay to top it off 
agree with ya there jon hahaha