I read a review on that Struder A800 Tape emulator the other day, it’s got a ‘Gang’ function built into it so that if you turn it on, then evey instance of it is controlled by any other instance, so anything you adjust, gets adjusted on the others aswel. I was wondering (I use Live 8) if there is any way to ‘gang’ compressor release times? So when your using them to sidechain, you can find a release time which gives a suitable ‘pumping’ effect to all your sidechained tracks. It would make the process of sidechaining quicker and it would also make it a lot more tidier as the different release times would be noticeable on every track, instantly. Any idea’s? I hope that made sense.
Couldnt you just copy over one of your sidechains to your other channels rather than making and adjusting a new compressor each time?
Can’t you just stick a compressor on a send channel dedicated for pumping only, and do it that way?
Yeah, you could do it that way Roben but it would just be a lot more convenient to control, say, one macro and adjust every compressors release time. But I dont know if its possible to assign compressor controls from different tacks to one ‘master’ macro. If ya got quite far into a track and then it turns out ya think its pumping a bit too much or a bit too less, it would mean adjusting and copying all your compressors over to all your other tracks, return tracks etc. Bit of a pain in the arse. Do ya get what I mean though?
I’ll give that return track idea a blast and see what happens mate, cheers 
I would love to see them develop app wide macros… like you could have a filter macro that controls like 3 or 4 synths at the same time.
[quote]phil johnston (05/03/2011)[hr]I would love to see them develop app wide macros… like you could have a filter macro that controls like 3 or 4 synths at the same time.[/quote]
You can do that with Max 4 Live I think. I know you can control anything with an LFO now.
[quote]phil johnston (05/03/2011)[hr]I would love to see them develop app wide macros… like you could have a filter macro that controls like 3 or 4 synths at the same time.[/quote]
Yeah, thats what I’m on about Phil, but I take it from that, that it’s not possible at the minute. That would save so much time and effort. I’ve heard of Max for live but I’ve never looked into it, I’ll check it out now. Cheers Howie
I think the ‘CylphX’ script can do this ?
not sure though,
then, there’s the ‘Marobat’ script, I’m 99% sure this one can adjust
several parameters on several racks/channels using one master macro (by assigning
an i.d.
Both scripts are wrote by same guy 'Stray, both are free & simple to setup too.
I’ve used both, more the macrobat… great fun!
here is info for the Clyphx script
[Archive] nativeKONTROL ClyphX v1.0: Overview - YouTube
& here is the info for the macrobat script
[Archive] nativeKONTROL Macrobat Overview - YouTube
[quote]lenners (06/03/2011)[hr]I think the ‘CylphX’ script can do this ?
not sure though,
then, there’s the ‘Marobat’ script, I’m 99% sure this one can adjust
several parameters on several racks/channels using one master macro (by assigning
an i.d.
Both scripts are wrote by same guy 'Stray, both are free & simple to setup too.
I’ve used both, more the macrobat… great fun!
here is info for the Clyphx script
[Archive] nativeKONTROL ClyphX v1.0: Overview - YouTube
& here is the info for the macrobat script
[Archive] nativeKONTROL Macrobat Overview - YouTube
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Macrobat loooks well handy mate, thanks for that. I watched the video and you can do a lot with it so I’ll be downloading it, but I don’t think you can control parameters on plug-ins on different tracks, by the looks of it your limited to controlling however many parameters you want, as long as they belong to the same track. Still a handy little bit of kit though, thanks very much.
I’ve put it forward to Ableton about app wide macro’s anyway, see what happens. It’s probably been put forward a thousand times before though
[quote]Martin Waite (06/03/2011)[hr]I’ve put it forward to Ableton about app wide macro’s anyway, see what happens. It’s probably been put forward a thousand times before though[/quote]
I will say though Martin, that Ableton is the one company the listens to their base. Believe me.
Thats champion Howie. There’s been a few replies to it so hopefully they might sort something out for Live 9… But most of them have been saying that Max 4 Live can do it, like you said so I might just have to give that a bash in the mean time.
[quote]bangthedj (05/03/2011)[hr]Can’t you just stick a compressor on a send channel dedicated for pumping only, and do it that way?[/quote]
YUP!
[quote]UnitedVision (07/03/2011)[hr][quote]bangthedj (05/03/2011)[hr]Can’t you just stick a compressor on a send channel dedicated for pumping only, and do it that way?[/quote]
YUP![/quote]
Does that not do something with the overall volume of whatver you send to it though? Im sure i tried it before ages ago and everything just got really loud. Obviously you can adjust how much you send to it, but because its just a compressor being used to sidechain and not say, a reverb or something which would be constantly affecting the audio, whenever its not affecting the audio (Between triggering) is it not just doubling up the sound by returning dry audio into the mix? hope that makes sense. Then if you start sending every track you wana sidechain to it, will it not end up a massively loud mess? Suppose I could just go and try it really ha. Back in a bit
[quote]Martin Waite (07/03/2011)[hr][quote]UnitedVision (07/03/2011)[hr][quote]bangthedj (05/03/2011)[hr]Can’t you just stick a compressor on a send channel dedicated for pumping only, and do it that way?[/quote]
YUP![/quote]
Does that not do something with the overall volume of whatver you send to it though? Im sure i tried it before ages ago and everything just got really loud. Obviously you can adjust how much you send to it, but because its just a compressor being used to sidechain and not say, a reverb or something which would be constantly affecting the audio, whenever its not affecting the audio (Between triggering) is it not just doubling up the sound by returning dry audio into the mix? hope that makes sense. Then if you start sending every track you wana sidechain to it, will it not end up a massively loud mess? Suppose I could just go and try it really ha. Back in a bit[/quote]]
Yeah your right… you will get the signal twice. I am still learning about all the routing possibilities in ableton so there might be others that could explain it more in depth… But I’m pretty sure the trick with return tracks and using a compressor to sidechain is utilizing the routing functions of PRE & POST. When you use PRE it sidechains the sound through the compressor prior to sending the audio to the mix. Post is the opposite. I’ve tried doing the compressor in a return track using the PRE routing input and it seemed to work just fine. But I still could not be giving the desired effect… !
I do know that a sure fire way to make it work would be…
- Create a new audio track. Put the desired compressor on this track.
- Set the ‘Monitor’ option on this track to ‘In’.
- On all of the tracks that you want to add this effect to use the ‘Audio To’ setting to send to the audio track you made, rather than the master track.
- All of these tracks should now pass through the effect track before being sent to the master track, giving you the effect that you were looking for!
[quote]UnitedVision (07/03/2011)[hr][quote]Martin Waite (07/03/2011)[hr][quote]UnitedVision (07/03/2011)[hr][quote]bangthedj (05/03/2011)[hr]Can’t you just stick a compressor on a send channel dedicated for pumping only, and do it that way?[/quote]
YUP![/quote]
Does that not do something with the overall volume of whatver you send to it though? Im sure i tried it before ages ago and everything just got really loud. Obviously you can adjust how much you send to it, but because its just a compressor being used to sidechain and not say, a reverb or something which would be constantly affecting the audio, whenever its not affecting the audio (Between triggering) is it not just doubling up the sound by returning dry audio into the mix? hope that makes sense. Then if you start sending every track you wana sidechain to it, will it not end up a massively loud mess? Suppose I could just go and try it really ha. Back in a bit[/quote]]
Yeah your right… you will get the signal twice. I am still learning about all the routing possibilities in ableton so there might be others that could explain it more in depth… But I’m pretty sure the trick with return tracks and using a compressor to sidechain is utilizing the routing functions of PRE & POST. When you use PRE it sidechains the sound through the compressor prior to sending the audio to the mix. Post is the opposite. I’ve tried doing the compressor in a return track using the PRE routing input and it seemed to work just fine. But I still could not be giving the desired effect… !
I do know that a sure fire way to make it work would be…
- Create a new audio track. Put the desired compressor on this track.
- Set the ‘Monitor’ option on this track to ‘In’.
- On all of the tracks that you want to add this effect to use the ‘Audio To’ setting to send to the audio track you made, rather than the master track.
- All of these tracks should now pass through the effect track before being sent to the master track, giving you the effect that you were looking for!
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Good call that mate.