How do I side chain with out my kick

I’m using logic pro 8.



The way I have been doing this procedure is by recording my side chained bass line to audio. There must be another option. Anyone know of one?



Thanks in advance

I thought I figured it out.



Edit: I did not, so I still need help

I would just set up a dummy track with just a kick. Mute that and use it just for your sidechain signal. You shouldn’t have to freeze the track unless your really burning up cpu. I would think that your not burning up cpu being that your obviously on a mac. I’m a little confused as to what your asking though, because your sidechaining is obviously working if your able to freeze it to audio?



Raymond

All in all, you can use anything staccato like a kick or snare to trigger the sidechain. It doesn’t have to be done with your kick. Most people set up the dummy track(extra muted kick) for the sidechain, because when you sidechain your kick, it cuts out some of its volume as well when it’s ducking the volume of the sidechained track. Hope this helps a little better…



Raymond

What I want to do is take away my kick, but when I do this, it stops my side chain.



When I set up a trigger and then mute the channel, it no longer sends a signal to my compressor to side chain.



Are you using logic pro 8? If so please explain more where I can set this up.



Thanks for your help already too.

Ok, make sure that your sidechain is set to Post FX, and not Post Mixer. If its post mixer then it will be looking for the audio from the master. Whereas if its post FX, muting it only mutes the signal to the master, not the compressor. Therefor when you mute the kick, it will still send a signal to the compressor, but not the master audio.



Raymond

ie.

post fader = everything after the fader including FX, and Master

post FX = everything after the FX including Master

post Mixer = everything after the master <------- this has to be where your problem is as muting the kick mutes the sidechain.



Raymond

[quote]raymondsar (7/15/2009)[hr]I would just set up a dummy track with just a kick. Mute that and use it just for your sidechain signal.

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+1

Man I hate to do this to yall but I’m going to need this broken down further. I’ve just never used any of these controls and need help finding them.



What do I need to do to change to post fx?

the input signal to the compressor your using for sidechain…



Raymond

get ready to be shocked!!!



I still do not understand.



I’m going to tell you exactly what I am doing and maybe you can find my error.



I have a kick. On my kick’s channel strip, I have it’s signal sent to bus 1. Next I have a synth with logics compressor on it. In the compressor I have the side chain picking up the signal from bus one.



I’m confused where post fx is. Is it the order you do something? Is it a button in the edit or etc that you click on and then changes how signal flows. Some one has to have logic pro 8 who can explain this to me in dumb *** terms. I’m sorry I cant get this.



Raymond thanks for the time and help. Sorry I can’t just pick up what your saying and run with it.

I think I see what your problem is. You should be taking the signal from your kick, and not from bus 1. I’m not sure why your bussing your kick unless the bus you are using controls the rest of your drums. I would only use the busses to “group” things or for FX. None the less. Take the signal directly from your kick, and not from the bus. I bet this will solve your problem. If not let me know and we’ll try something else.



Raymond



explanation. If you mute your kick and your sending it to a bus. and the bus is the signal source for the sidechain. there’s not going to be any signal going to that bus to trigger it. therefor your compression will not keep going. You have to go right from the kick to achieve what your trying to achieve. This is why I said set up a dummy track with just a kick. DONT send it to a bus or anything. just set it up and mute it, then use that as your signal! Hope we’re getting you where you need to be!

One other thing you can try too, if the kick is the only thing going to bus 1, try muting bus 1 instead of the kick. That way your muting the output of the kick, but not the signal. That would be the EASY way out…



Raymond

There’s a ton of bad info on the interwebs, but I would reccomend googling the D Ramirez tutorial videos. He explains sidechain compression with logic in great detail while showing you how he works on a remix…



Raymond

YO! The Logic tutorials are up now! GO AND GET EM!!! They should explain everything you need to know about your software!



Raymond

Thanks for hanging in there. I know how difficult it can be working with idiots. Also, I got it working now, so I can continue my break down. Yes!!! GOod job and landing that job as well.