If the Track sounds Great but my mix is creating clipping should I really worry about this ?
Should I just trust my ears and allow my monitors to show me the way ? When I get my track mastered I can just drop back the main Volume of the track to -6 . I will not be Doing any type of mastering I just Create my own music and mix it - Mastering is not my thing at all and I don’t mind paying 50 dollars for 2 tracks …
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Sorry let me add ! If I worry about the mix because of the REDLINE , the sounds become FLAT and DRY - But when I just trust my ears it feels bright and full . The only thing that worries me is the above question
[quote]Redemption (30/05/2010)[hr]If the Track sounds Great but my mix is creating clipping should I really worry about this ?
Should I just trust my ears and allow my monitors to show me the way ? When I get my track mastered I can just drop back the main Volume of the track to -6 . I will not be Doing any type of mastering I just Create my own music and mix it - Mastering is not my thing at all and I don’t mind paying 50 dollars for 2 tracks …
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Sorry let me add ! If I worry about what if the mix sounds off because the meter says so I find my mix becomes FLAT and DRY - But when I just trust my ears it feels bright and full . The only thing that worries me is the above question[/quote]
if it sounds good then it is good, trust your ears mate.
Some daw’s show that they are clipping before they actually clip, you’ll notice that the clip will become apparent when the mixer is constantly in the RED and not just from the occasional overload
ok I think I know what you mean,
Trust your ears, but…
…remember that when you’re listing to your master in ableton, you’ll not hear clipping because of 64bit floating point audio engine - long story short, depending on your sound card you can push master a bit further than 0dBfs and hear no distortion
problems (clipping) start when you export your track to 16bit wav,
and yes you can lower the volume of the master or select all your channels at once (inc. effect returns) and lower them instead
also when you export stuff for mastering, render it as 32 bit file, which gives you a lot more headroom than 16bit file,
btw where did you find mastering that’s so cheap?
[quote]seanl (30/05/2010)[hr]ok I think I know what you mean,
Trust your ears, but…
…remember that when you’re listing to your master in ableton, you’ll not hear clipping because of 64bit floating point audio engine - long story short, depending on your sound card you can push master a bit further than 0dBfs and hear no distortion
problems (clipping) start when you export your track to 16bit wav,
and yes you can lower the volume of the master or select all your channels at once (inc. effect returns) and lower them instead
also when you export stuff for mastering, render it as 32 bit file, which gives you a lot more headroom than 16bit file,
btw where did you find mastering that’s so cheap?
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Hey thanks Im using Cubase 5.12 and I mix in 16bit and I save to 32 wave. Here’s the link you also can get one track mastered for free !! Im saving my freebie until I finish my new trance track 
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[quote]jon_fisher (30/05/2010)[hr][quote]Redemption (30/05/2010)[hr]If the Track sounds Great but my mix is creating clipping should I really worry about this ?
Should I just trust my ears and allow my monitors to show me the way ? When I get my track mastered I can just drop back the main Volume of the track to -6 . I will not be Doing any type of mastering I just Create my own music and mix it - Mastering is not my thing at all and I don’t mind paying 50 dollars for 2 tracks …
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Sorry let me add ! If I worry about what if the mix sounds off because the meter says so I find my mix becomes FLAT and DRY - But when I just trust my ears it feels bright and full . The only thing that worries me is the above question[/quote]
if it sounds good then it is good, trust your ears mate.
Some daw’s show that they are clipping before they actually clip, you’ll notice that the clip will become apparent when the mixer is constantly in the RED and not just from the occasional overload[/quote]
Thanks 
well sometimes pushing the mixer to clip a litle is not bad as long that there is no distortion or feedback that mess your mix .
Good question mate, I had been a lttle puzzled by it myself at one stage, nice tips guys, thanks!
[quote]alinenunez (31/05/2010)[hr]well sometimes pushing the mixer to clip a litle is not bad as long that there is no distortion or feedback that mess your mix .[/quote]
I don’t have a SUB to Trust my lows so will any SUB do ? Just spent a ton of money on my new set up so I cant Cash in $$ Massive amounts of coin .
KRK K10S Active Subwoofer | zZounds This may be to much
I can afford this right now
Behringer B2092A Active Studio Subwoofer (360 Watts) | zZounds
[quote]Syko_NI (31/05/2010)[hr]Good question mate, I had been a lttle puzzled by it myself at one stage, nice tips guys, thanks![/quote]
Yeah Iv been going by the REDLINE for sometime now and its be killing my mix . Now that I just focus on what sounds good , now my mixes sound Smooth and thicker .
When CUBASE Redlinse it stays RED until I click that box , how do I make it so Cubase will flash Red when it peeks ?
[quote]Redemption (30/05/2010)[hr]When I get my track mastered I can just drop back the main Volume of the track to -6 .
Are you taking about pushing over 0db, exporting your mix and then importing the wav file and lowering the master volume so it peaks at -6?
This is not a good idea, by pushing the 0db at mix stage you are already squashing your track, lowering it thereafter to -6 is no use, its simply a squashed track at a lower volume.
The -6db of headroom has to be there at final mixdown so the mastering engineer has something to work with, so he can apply correct compression and volume gain to bring the track up to 0db.
There has to be some sort of compression/distortion happening when you push your mix into the red. If you want a very heavily compressed mastered version you can tell a mastering engineer this. Or you could go back and add compression and distortion to whichever elements in the mix you feel need it. Try compressing the drums as a group and reverb/panning/EQ to give each element its own space in the mix.
I’ve meant before the rendering, but 32bit file should not clip even if you push it over 0dbfs
btw it’s the same for most modern DAWs, usually they use 64bit float at mixing points, regardless of projects bit depth
Thanks Redemtion, have you used them before? any good?
With the sub mate the problem may be the crossover frequency, in short not all subs are the same and have different response, I’m no expert on this but try and get some advice from the shop, etc because it is a bit more complicated than sticking a sub in car
Your speakers may not be suited for this particular sub. and will not give you a flat response in effect making things worst not better.
Those speakers you have are very good, but its more about getting to ‘know’ them, so you can make the right judgment. Listen to your mixes on as many systems as possible, give it to a DJ to try at the club, so you learn how what you hear at home translates on to other speakers.
Also if your room is not acoustically treated you can spent $20k on speakers and achieve nothing, so think about that before you get a sub
[quote]seanl (31/05/2010)[hr]I’ve meant before the rendering
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I’m not sure thats what the OP means. The whole point of his post is that he likes the sound of his mix when it pushes into the red. When he doesn’t do this the mix sounds flat and dull (i.e. turning the master down, or the individual channels, so that it peaks at -6).
I’m just saying that a mastering engineer will have nothing to work with if given a mixdown that was pushing red!
[quote]Kieran Mach (31/05/2010)[hr][quote]seanl (31/05/2010)[hr]I’ve meant before the rendering
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I’m not sure thats what the OP means. The whole point of his post is that he likes the sound of his mix when it pushes into the red. When he doesn’t do this the mix sounds flat and dull (i.e. turning the master down, or the individual channels, so that it peaks at -6).
I’m just saying that a mastering engineer will have nothing to work with if given a mixdown that was pushing red!
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when I Mix the track It only Jumps above the Redline there is no holding at all . Also with Cubase My mixes stay -6 but will Redline if it jumps past that line . FL studio I could peek it and have no room for mastering at all . All IM saying is I should trust my ears on the mix not the Redline . So if the Mix Sounds tight I should have no problems on bring back the LVs , before I bounce it from Cubase in 32-bit wave ?
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When I mix the Redline only happens at times ( Kick hit ) ( highHats with Snare ) Really it is the Drums that produce the Redline , but I need my Drums to sound Right ! And if it means the Clip happens off and on to Fit it in the mix then should I really be the worried ?
[quote]seanl (31/05/2010)[hr]I’ve meant before the rendering, but 32bit file should not clip even if you push it over 0dbfs
btw it’s the same for most modern DAWs, usually they use 64bit float at mixing points, regardless of projects bit depth
Thanks Redemtion, have you used them before? any good?
With the sub mate the problem may be the crossover frequency, in short not all subs are the same and have different response, I’m no expert on this but try and get some advice from the shop, etc because it is a bit more complicated than sticking a sub in car
Your speakers may not be suited for this particular sub. and will not give you a flat response in effect making things worst not better.
Those speakers you have are very good, but its more about getting to ‘know’ them, so you can make the right judgment. Listen to your mixes on as many systems as possible, give it to a DJ to try at the club, so you learn how what you hear at home translates on to other speakers.
Also if your room is not acoustically treated you can spent $20k on speakers and achieve nothing, so think about that before you get a sub
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I guess il wait on getting the KRK Sub in a month or so ! Iv heard some good things about that Sub
yeah so did I!
I wouldn’t mind one 
but acoustics in my room are hopeless, so any sub would only make mattes worst,
I have £50 M-Audio speakers instead and I mix mostly on headphones
[quote]Redemption (01/06/2010)[hr]
Also with Cubase My mixes stay -6 but will Redline if it jumps past that line
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Ahh, thats different then mate, I thought your mixes where peeking over 0db.
You should be fine as you described cos your mix is just peeking over -6db. The -6db thing is not set in stone, its just ample headroom for mastering. Not a big deal to sometimes cross a ‘redline’ set at -6db.