[quote]ICN (16/08/2011)[hr]I think the best thing that anyone could do is get involved with forums & make friends with people.
Someone said a while back - think it was Bouff or Bang - that you should just get stuck in & pretend as if you know us all already. I think thats gold. Theres no magic forumula - you just have to have a laugh & get chatting.
Get to know people - locate those that are on the same wavelength & become friends. Swap stories, exchange ideas / points of view/ tracks etc… It’ll give ya something you’ll neverget from tutorials orbooks - Support.
The hairs honestly stand up on the back of my neck and arms when I read a Thread from someone looking for a Knight in shining armour to take them under their wing & teach them everything they know for free. Life isnt free - and even though what I’m talking about is free (as in doenst cost $€£’z), you invariably exhange friendship & humour, sincerity & trust. Thats a fair barter.
You have to play the “long game” as a good friend of mine always says 
- Its fkn true!! 
Theres no substitute for a personal relationship. I think thats what mostpeople dont “get” about forums. They’re just like real life. You also have to be open / genuine & sociable to get on in this “life”. Just like the physical world - its obvious who is a cnut.
So, to summarise:Theres alot togain from being an active member of an online community :)[/quote]
As ever ICN you pretty much get it bang on, straight to the point no BS.
[quote]JayD3 (16/08/2011)[hr][quote]P-Shot (16/08/2011)[hr]Future Music and Music Tech are both great mags for info on the latest technology. I’m currently reading the Dance Music Manual, and Secrets of House Music Production. Very good reads[/quote]
I just got the Dance Music Manual as well. It is very good. How is the Secrets of House Music Production?[/quote]
It’s also very good. It goes into detail about each section of a track w/ each specific house genre. I feel its a must-read
[quote]ICN (16/08/2011)[hr]I’ll tell ye Lads… I probably have every book going…
DMM - Forget about it.
Get the sample magic book
&
Mixing Audio by Roey Izhaki - Focal Press.
The Izhaki book is essentially a glossary of music production sh!t & is a lot more indepth about production in general than the DMM. Its not dance specific - but in terms of "How do the controls on this do. " etc… You just cannot beat it as a reference. Dont get me wrong, it aint a bottomless pit of info either - but its not as 1D as the DMM.
The DMM has nothing like that - which lets face it, as you progress, you need to find out.
SHMP & MA FTW :D[/quote]
For a new producer, u can learn a ton from DMM. It won’t turn u into wolfgang gartner overnight, but it does provide a good background on many aspects of production. After reading this read the sample magic book for current trends in house music. I haven’t checked out the mixing audio book yet, that’ll be my next one.
[quote]jjdejong0 (16/08/2011)[hr]The DMM isnt a book that you can read once and expect immediate results. Its a book you really have to study, read over a few times and try out what it teaches you.[/quote]
Totally agree. I like to read books about 3 times and go to my DAW for hands on stuff anytime that the author suggests so during a chapter.
[quote]MistroPain (17/08/2011)[hr]I dont know about you guys but I just cannot ever concentrate sitting through 5 mins let alone hours of reading manuals and watching tuts… I just fall sleepy or go off into my own world which sucks cause I know thats where the valuable info is at.
One of the only tuts I fully sat through was Jamie’s Melody tut in the tips and tricks section, and it definately taught me a lot.
Most of what I learn comes through fudging about on Ableton + Massive and looking at feedback people give to other peoples tracks as well as my own tracks (again lots thanks for those who take time to give feedback to others, especially when its on my tracks :P) and reading these forums (other forums really do suck at times IMO, just kind find the same willingness to help elsewhere as you do here!).
I just find info from other musicians the best type of info I can get, and I find playing around with what you have just as vital…
Dont know how you guys do the tuts and books thing though, really puts me to sleep for some reason. Next month im moving on to my second year of pharmacy, I cant do 5 min tuts on a subject I am eager to learn about how am I gonna study for that lol! Am screwed…
Tl;dr: A bunch of useless crap I wrote…[/quote]
I used to have, and sometimes still do have the same problems u describe. But basically I told myself that I HAVE to learn this stuff if I want to be a decent producer. If it is ur passion to be a great producer, like everyone else on this forum(im assuming), then you gotta just push through those moments of boredom/zoning out and stay focused.
I went to school for a little less than 20 years, and music production is probably the first thing i’ve studied that I really like and i didn’t go to school for it lol…actually I don’t just like it, I love it
[quote]P-Shot (17/08/2011)[hr][quote]MistroPain (17/08/2011)[hr]I dont know about you guys but I just cannot ever concentrate sitting through 5 mins let alone hours of reading manuals and watching tuts… I just fall sleepy or go off into my own world which sucks cause I know thats where the valuable info is at.
One of the only tuts I fully sat through was Jamie’s Melody tut in the tips and tricks section, and it definately taught me a lot.
Most of what I learn comes through fudging about on Ableton + Massive and looking at feedback people give to other peoples tracks as well as my own tracks (again lots thanks for those who take time to give feedback to others, especially when its on my tracks :P) and reading these forums (other forums really do suck at times IMO, just kind find the same willingness to help elsewhere as you do here!).
I just find info from other musicians the best type of info I can get, and I find playing around with what you have just as vital…
Dont know how you guys do the tuts and books thing though, really puts me to sleep for some reason. Next month im moving on to my second year of pharmacy, I cant do 5 min tuts on a subject I am eager to learn about how am I gonna study for that lol! Am screwed…
Tl;dr: A bunch of useless crap I wrote…[/quote]
I used to have, and sometimes still do have the same problems u describe. But basically I told myself that I HAVE to learn this stuff if I want to be a decent producer. If it is ur passion to be a great producer, like everyone else on this forum(im assuming), then you gotta just push through those moments of boredom/zoning out and stay focused.
I went to school for a little less than 20 years, and music production is probably the first thing i’ve studied that I really like and i didn’t go to school for it lol…actually I don’t just like it, I love it[/quote]
Yeah I have to force myself sometimes to practice, watch tutorials, and read every night. I am on a computer all day at work, so getting back on one at home is not always something I am in the mood to do. But I have a passion for the music and production is something I really want to learn.
I usually pause the tut videos and practice what I am watching, which helps me keep engaged in it. Plus actually doing it and experimenting is the only way I am going learn it anyway.
Exactly what I am doing Jay. I find all the tutorials on SA very useful. I usually use the “how to” tutorials as a foundation for a track and try to mix in my own notes and tweak the sounds my own way rather that word for word by the tutorial. the whole point is to be creative in my opinion and the only way i find real creativity is trial and error. creativity can not be taught from a book in my opinion. we all have it in ourselves to bring it out, it just has to come in my opinion with experience. I find by listening to many of my favorite electronic artist as well as those of genres i don’t typically listen to, i gain a sort of mental ability to Incorporate those sounds and patterns onto a piece of work. I would say the best form of learning would be to practice with the tutorial for the fundamentals and then listen to as much music as you can for a sort of inspiration.
[quote]Subject 1 (17/08/2011)[hr]ICN you make techno so all your advice is worthless… :P[/quote]
Bulls-eye!!
[quote]saulable (17/08/2011)[hr]
As ever ICN you pretty much get it bang on, straight to the point no BS.[/quote]
Cheers S 
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[quote]hcapuozzo (17/08/2011)[hr]Exactly what I am doing Jay. I find all the tutorials on SA very useful. I usually use the “how to” tutorials as a foundation for a track and try to mix in my own notes and tweak the sounds my own way rather that word for word by the tutorial. the whole point is to be creative in my opinion and the only way i find real creativity is trial and error. creativity can not be taught from a book in my opinion. we all have it in ourselves to bring it out, it just has to come in my opinion with experience. I find by listening to many of my favorite electronic artist as well as those of genres i don’t typically listen to, i gain a sort of mental ability to Incorporate those sounds and patterns onto a piece of work. I would say the best form of learning would be to practice with the tutorial for the fundamentals and then listen to as much music as you can for a sort of inspiration.[/quote]
I agree. Learning about genres that may not be what you typically listen to can still give you some good info or ideas to use in your own music. I like songs from all different genres…(well most anyway)
[quote]ICN (16/08/2011)[hr]Get the Ouijja board out.[/quote]
[quote]alinenunez (17/08/2011)[hr]
did you ever tough of practicing while you read ?[/quote]
On the occassions that I do a tut/read something I do stop and practice what I have been reading learning and try to apply the knowledge.
[quote]ICN (17/08/2011)[hr]I hope I dont ever need any tablets at his chemist :ermm: :pinch:
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My chems will be used for mind control, not helping people!
[quote]ICN (17/08/2011)[hr]
Mate - Forums are great, that was my point… but theres some amount of sh!t written on them too.
Many people havepoorwriting skills & give wrong or inacurate info.
Then add to that your own personal interpretation of the meaning of words… Theres a lot that can go wrong inbetween. I really wouldnt rely on that source exclusively for info. You are limiting yourself too, only getting the info that is there - rather than getting a complete picture.
College work should have introduced you to that concept by now
Aside from that, lets face it - the majority of membershere dont post & fewer actually post tips. They just dont. Whether its a confidence thing or selfishness - Who knows? Toss a coin:D
Anyway - You should start watching / reading…
Unless you know that you dont need to :P[/quote]
I definately see what you mean, but ofcourse as a person trying to learn I think its up to the person to sieve through the bull**** and pick out those key words and key things they are trying to tell you…
Sure sometimes its always bull so at those times its up the person to go “meh…” and look at the next thing written down the line.
Take this very thread for example. I have learnt a thing or two about peoples learnings of things or two’s and will hopefully be taking everyones advice and just get on with it and try!
I really think the tip about having hot sex with the mrs’s is an interesting way to learn and will be getting on it asap… Just need to mail order me a bride from Eastern Europe!
[quote]P-Shot (17/08/2011)[hr]
I used to have, and sometimes still do have the same problems u describe. But basically I told myself that I HAVE to learn this stuff if I want to be a decent producer. If it is ur passion to be a great producer, like everyone else on this forum(im assuming), then you gotta just push through those moments of boredom/zoning out and stay focused.
I went to school for a little less than 20 years, and music production is probably the first thing i’ve studied that I really like and i didn’t go to school for it lol…actually I don’t just like it, I love it[/quote]
I definately know what you mea. For me its always that subject you never learn at school that you actually want to learn about and actively look for info on your own…