only really justed started using mine, and completed a tune with mianly headphones. I worked on it until I had the basic song arranged then I moved to my KRK which was all good.
However I started a couple of new track which sound good through my head phones but **** via my krk’s… I just had to redo the lot. Is this normal or should I exchange my headphones? Even the kick sounds **** on my krks but good on the headphones… hummmm
[quote]gofunk (24/02/2011)[hr]only really justed started using mine, and completed a tune with mianly headphones. I worked on it until I had the basic song arranged then I moved to my KRK which was all good.
However I started a couple of new track which sound good through my head phones but **** via my krk’s… I just had to redo the lot. Is this normal or should I exchange my headphones? Even the kick sounds **** on my krks but good on the headphones… hummmm[/quote]
I’ve been trying to do this recently as well. My last track sounded good on headphones but lacked the punch on my KRKs.
I have since learned a new technique for basses, but none of that matters because…
RULE OF THUMB: Kick must sound good on both monitors & headphones. Otherwise its blah.
Its definitely not your headphones or your monitors. It’s the kick.
and on a side note…
I find that using a compressor on kicks takes a lot of punch out of them… dunno if that helps.
[quote]UnitedVision (24/02/2011)[hr][quote][b]
I find that using a compressor on kicks takes a lot of punch out of them… dunno if that helps.[/quote]
Don’t have such a fast attack then, slow it down to somewhere like 20+ms
[quote]Roben (24/02/2011)[hr][quote]UnitedVision (24/02/2011)[hr][quote][b]
I find that using a compressor on kicks takes a lot of punch out of them… dunno if that helps.[/quote]
Don’t have such a fast attack then, slow it down to somewhere like 20+ms[/quote]
What Roben said
- 1 one that mate watch the compression and reverb tuts mate
Still not sure if I should exchange of phones or not…
Wayne & Andrew. What you have to understand, is that everything that monitors sound, whether its headphones or monitors, sound differently. There are different response times to you hearing things. In your headphones, things sound differently then on monitors and vice versa. When a speaker produces sound, the cone of the speaker pushes air. How fast it moves is the frequency of the sound. However, sound in your ear on headphones is instantaneous. Monitors take a slight bit of sound though. What you need to do, is learn how one thing sounds. Make sure you know the sound inside and out. When you are doing a mixdown, check your mix on your headphones or your monitors. Whichever is secondary.
you could also not need to compress them… if theyre samples from vengeance then they probably dont need compression…
Howie I hear yah. It’s something that I have been spending a lot of time on lately. Still trying to learn as much as I can about the “science” of low-end. You can spend hours just fu*kin with parameters to try and notice the differences.
What I was getting at with the compressor was this… its not the attack or release…
This goes to jpgetty’s point that… if you pick a good kick from vengeance or xfer, you really dont need a compressor. They are already good 2 go. Maby a little EQ and your set.
It’s weird because another thing I think is kinda bogus is layering kicks. I have been doing this on like all my old tracks. Trying to get a “fatness” from the kick, and doing compression, but it always winds up making my kick blahhhhhh compared to the other sounds. I have since ceased doing this on the new tracks my brother and I are writing and I can already tell it has improved the tracks far beyond anything i’ve ever produced.
We all know the kick is the most prominent part of the track in all genres of dance music.
If the kick is f0cked up then the rest of your levels/sidechains and mixdown will be too.
just sayin!
I think you can get headphones which are specially for mixing purposes i dont think its reccomended to do it through your dj headphones. What i use headphones for is kinda like a microscope, you can hear alot of noises, blips, clipping, distortion etc through the cans that you wont hear through your monitors. If you like KRK i would check out their new studio mixing headphones that they recently released ive heard good things about them.
[quote]jjdejong0 (26/02/2011)[hr]I think you can get headphones which are specially for mixing purposes i dont think its reccomended to do it through your dj headphones. What i use headphones for is kinda like a microscope, you can hear alot of noises, blips, clipping, distortion etc through the cans that you wont hear through your monitors. If you like KRK i would check out their new studio mixing headphones that they recently released ive heard good things about them.[/quote]
I would say J is completely right about getting a proper pair of studio phones
What J said 
I use Sennheiser HD280 (because they sound pretty good and aren’t super expensive)–if you’re a pro mastering engineer I’m sure you use even better cans. Also use the Sony MDR-V900’s which have way more detail than the 280’s, but they cost more and it’s easy to tweak the connector.
Neither are a fashion statement, so perfect for hiding out in a dark studio :-p
Well guys this is the thing, I spent £160 on roland rh300 which are studio headphones, I’m thinking I maybe have made the wrong choice… its a hard one I think, what I dont want is to go back and change them to find out I get the same results… hummm, I’ll have a look into theses KRK ones in the 1st instance.
Really do u think it will be the head phones? they are good ones but maybe not for EDM?
[quote]gofunk (27/02/2011)[hr]Well guys this is the thing, I spent £160 on roland rh300 which are studio headphones, I’m thinking I maybe have made the wrong choice… its a hard one I think, what I dont want is to go back and change them to find out I get the same results… hummm, I’ll have a look into theses KRK ones in the 1st instance.
Really do u think it will be the head phones? they are good ones but maybe not for EDM?[/quote]
Give them time mate, you probably need to get used to them. Learn them inside out
well this is it mate, I’ve had them for 2 month now, almost 3, what got me is the kick sounded good via the headphones and yet so crap via my krk’s, there was like a high end click on kick which I didnt notice via the headphones…
[quote]gofunk (27/02/2011)[hr]well this is it mate, I’ve had them for 2 month now, almost 3, what got me is the kick sounded good via the headphones and yet so crap via my krk’s, there was like a high end click on kick which I didnt notice via the headphones…[/quote]
The only thing I think of is get your kick spot on, on krk’s then see what it’s like on ya phones and remember what it sounds like then you’ll in the future what to aim for
Normally people would say that it’s hard to find headphones that sound the same as monitors but maybe that is what krk are trying to achieve with their new headphones. Dunno not tried them
i use both,
tend to start on my krk’s and then go to headphones
if i get it sounding ok to good on the headphones then the tendency is for it to sound a lot better on my krk’s