The Haas effect. ? Good for drums is this how the pros get the trance drums to sound nice and full ?
what are you talking about?
[quote]gofunk (12/06/2011)[hr]what are you talking about?[/quote]
Audio, Computers and Everything Else: Time Alignment & The "Haas Effect"
to be honest man I think 90% of musicians/producers don’t know what this is, much less use it. seems more into physics than music.
I’ve been reading some of the stuff you’ve written on these forums and it seems you’re worrying a lot about the technical side of things, but you say you’re having trouble finishing your tracks. If I were you, I think I’d focus a lot more on arrangement, music theory, synthesis and so on. Finish a couple tracks or at least flesh out your ideas a bit more before you worry about making everything sound professional, which is very difficult to do unless you’re experienced.
Not trying to be rude or anything, just try to have some fun making the music before you get too into the technical side of making it club-ready and whatnot 
[quote]gedeon (12/06/2011)[hr]to be honest man I think 90% of musicians/producers don’t know what this is, much less use it. seems more into physics than music.
I’ve been reading some of the stuff you’ve written on these forums and it seems you’re worrying a lot about the technical side of things, but you say you’re having trouble finishing your tracks. If I were you, I think I’d focus a lot more on arrangement, music theory, synthesis and so on. Finish a couple tracks or at least flesh out your ideasa bit more before you worry about making everything sound professional, which is very difficult to do unless you’re experienced.
Not trying to be rude or anything, just try to have some fun making the music before you get too into the technical side of making it club-ready and whatnot :)[/quote]
its cool I am fine with music theory and making melodies in fact that is easy part . I join SA to learn synthesis / mixing / and understanding different types of structure
[quote]To be honest man I think 90% of musicians/producers don’t know what this is, much less use it. seems more into physics than music.[/quote]
Not at all true, I have used this technique for many many different applications in sound design. Although it is generally used on guitars in metal productions I have done in the past.
[quote]Deathhands (13/06/2011)[hr][quote]To be honest man I think 90% of musicians/producers don’t know what this is, much less use it. seems more into physics than music.[/quote]
Not at all true, I have used this technique for many many different applications in sound design. Although it is generally used on guitars in metal productions I have done in the past.
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reason I asked was to better understand it . Some say it can be used to bring out drums like high-hats or bongos .
I recomend reading Mixing Audio by Roey Izhaki, this book has an acompanying CD with audio examples of many mixing techniques including haas effect. It also has a very clear and in depth explanation way better than anything I could blather out. 
I use this a lot. It brings the sound more to the sides, makes it more wide. I don’t know the technical stuff & how it works tho. Just try it and listen to the difference!
As Dirtyboy has said its a stereo image mixing technique. It will fatten up elements of a track panned to the extremes. I have used it mostly on guitars but it can work on anything you choose. Just use your ears to set the delay time between 1-35ms on the ghost (Copy) track you have to judge what sounds best for whatever tracks your using it on. Any delay over the 35ms mark will be audible as a delay effect and negate the hass effect completely. The effect will create a very wide open sound and a blurred stereo image so I wouldnt recomend using it on anything that you want to have a focused stereo image. IMO i wouldnt use it on drums unless it was for a deliberate break.
[quote]Deathhands (13/06/2011)[hr]I recomend reading Mixing Audio by Roey Izhaki, this book has an acompanying CD with audio examples of many mixing techniques including haas effect. It also has a very clear and in depth explanation way better than anything I could blather out. [/quote]
Cool I will check it out ! I don’t think my mixes will get any better until I understand the science behind mixing . 
[quote]Deathhands (13/06/2011)[hr]I recomend reading Mixing Audio by Roey Izhaki, this book has an acompanying CD with audio examples of many mixing techniques including haas effect. It also has a very clear and in depth explanation way better than anything I could blather out. [/quote]
how about Videos teaching how to build trance drums ? I can make the basic build but I have sample loops from ZEN and they sound really good . Using bedding I don’t mind but I would rather make my own drum loops .
What do you guys think of vst called bazzism
BazzISM by Intelligent Sounds & Music (ISM) - Drum Synth Plugin VST VST3 Audio Unit AAX
i use this a lot on synth /hats /guitars etc
I usually eq the ghosted sound a touch too
I honestly never thought to use this technique on drums before… I learned something here too.
[quote]egg2 (13/06/2011)[hr]i use this a lot on synth /hats /guitars etc
I usually eq the ghosted sound a touch too :)[/quote]
What is a “Ghosted” sound ?
Delayed sound
[quote]egg2 (13/06/2011)[hr]Delayed sound :)[/quote]
did the effect on my high-hats , truly made a big difference !
[quote]Deathhands (14/06/2011)[hr]http://www.uaudio.com/blog/dave-isaac-tips-and-tricks/[/quote]
So to get my Airy synths to sound right I need to space them out , leaving the bass and kick dead center will improve the overall sound . Thanks for the video adding it to my favorites . I can never inject perfect understanding after one watch .