[quote]howiegroove (01/06/2010)[hr][quote]carlo.raikkonen (31/05/2010)[hr]hey there i would like to request a tutorial if it isn’t much trouble
a tutorial on synthesis, i know a bit of how to tweak a synth but not enough to make a major change on the sound,
it would be awesome if i learned how to make my own presets or sounds from scratch
thanks[/quote]
Here is your tutorial…
-open your synth up.
-turn knobs
-notice changes
-write them down (optional)
-repeat
That is how you learn synthesis. There is no shortcuts to learning how to make your own sounds.[/quote]
lol.
Creating your own sounds- there are no short cuts yes
blindly twiddling knobs for years on end will get you there probably, but synthesis can be learnt in as much as you know what attack does, you know what decay is, the difference in wave types etc etc
you can also download free plugins to help you visualize what the sound your tweaking is and what changes you are making does.
http://synthstudent.wordpress.com/ is very good to help you learn what synthesis is all about.
Also read dance music manual - it has a couple of meaty chapters in helping to learn synthesis
[quote]hindsite (02/06/2010)[hr]Creating your own sounds- there are no short cuts yes
blindly twiddling knobs for years on end will get you there probably, but synthesis can be learnt in as much as you know what attack does, you know what decay is, the difference in wave types etc etc
you can also download free plugins to help you visualize what the sound your tweaking is and what changes you are making does.
http://synthstudent.wordpress.com/ is very good to help you learn what synthesis is all about.
Also read dance music manual - it has a couple of meaty chapters in helping to learn synthesis[/quote]
Very good sir! Yeah, you can read up on stuff. Thats what I did!
A great visual interpretation is in the Ableton synth Operator. You can see exactly the ADSR in visual form.
And Synth Squad - the visual feedback on each of the synths is unbelievable. It is (slowly) helping me understand what various modulations do the sounds. I am still awful at recreating sounds heard on different tracks though.
synth programming would be awesome like more than just the basics in something like sylenth
[quote]credentia1 (09/06/2010)[hr]synth programming would be awesome like more than just the basics in something like sylenth[/quote]
Please read at the top of this page where Alinenunez quoted me.
Thats your tutorial…
i’m sure you are a cool guy (i’ve read your other posts and know you are a frequent contributor)… and i’m not stating anything more than pointing out an observation, but…
your reference to a synthesis ‘tutorial’ is nothing more than a half-*** way of stating you aren’t very sound-design friendly. maybe i am ‘reading’ the tone of your reply in more of a negative manner than intended, but tweaking knobs and writing what you hear is not the definitive way of learning something, especially if you don’t know how the settings may relate to another parameter and more basically, what you are listening for.
since we are dealing with primarily dance music… and even though there are many genres, there are very basic global elements which you can offer advice (which SA does cover quite a bit in-between the lines within their tutorials) such as:
common envelope settings for clicks and knocks or stabby basses (perc-y type sounds)
wave forms used for certain distinct sounds (basses - would be the easiest and most distinct for each genre, how to make a bouncy bass and when you’d use a square instead of a sine for specific tonality, etc)
order in which you’d create the sound, which envelopes (amp - filter), when and why - design then movement (modulation)
synthesis takes time and is complex, but if you are willing to offer tutorials for noobs, than i would expect something more than a smart *** reply that will essentially get the average beginner nowhere, since they’ll have no ‘right way’ to reference their trials and errors. (although i do agree that people need to research, review presets, and take notes)
sure… there are certain things that can’t be fully taught (most of which are the things people think they can learn without mustering the experience), but you can always assist in helping point those in the right direction (as the dood who provided the synthesis tutorials did)
cheers mate
You are absolutely right. I am not great at sound design. Which is why I posted a topic that asked what would you like me to show you about Ableton. That program is what I am good at. I understand it. And I feel I am qualified to teach it to people. However, if you want to learn synthesis, I am not the guy to ask. Do I know synthesis… yes. Am I good enough to answer everyones questions, no. But thats why I did not offer up anything up but Ableton tutorials. So, before you criticize me, please read all the posts. If you think that SA is doing a great job at explaining synthesis, then why should teach it? The issue we have here is that people want to be a pro synthesist after watching one video. Unfortunately, it really doesn’t work that way. I have read books, watched videos, and been taught by teachers. I have a long way to go. Experience is the only thing that will get you to where you want to be. So, whats wrong with me saying that? If you are proficient at synthesis, by all means, make a tutorial. No one is stopping you. But people read the topic header and ask the questions without reading through.
You have to understand brotha, EVERYONE I ask that is an expert (and yes, I know a few experts) in synthesis, says that they only way to really lean it is to do it. Thats all that I’m saying. So once you know ADSR, and know what an LFO is, and know what FM does, and know what a specific waveform sounds like, what more can I tell you? You have to do some reasoning when trying to figure out sounds. Does it sound hollow, buzzy, shrill, etc… I know that squares give me hollow sounds. Buzzy sounds could be sawtooth waves. You know, its just practice. But the fact is that I have put alot of time and effort into doing this, and there wasn’t one tutorial or book that i saw or read that, once I watched it, I was able to make every sound known to man! Phil backed me up himself! Maybe you missed his post (its somewhere), where he said that he has been making sounds for 17 some odd years. It comes with practice. You dont just wake up after one day on the piano, and become Gershwin. Practice my friend, practice. So please dont criticize me for telling the other “noobs” what my friends and peers have told me. Because what I say, is the same thing that they told me. And, I feel that I have been extremely generous on this forum. I love to teach others and help others out, till I get criticized. Maybe you took it the wrong way. If you did, I apologize. But please read back all my posts. I meant no harm. Do your homework, put in the time, use the SEARCH button before you ask a question, and I’m sure you will find a wealth of knowledge.
Good day sir… 
[quote]s3android (23/06/2010)[hr]i’m sure you are a cool guy (i’ve read your other posts and know you are a frequent contributor)… and i’m not stating anything more than pointing out an observation, but…
your reference to a synthesis ‘tutorial’ is nothing more than a half-*** way of stating you aren’t very sound-design friendly. maybe i am ‘reading’ the tone of your reply in more of a negative manner than intended, but tweaking knobs and writing what you hear is not the definitive way of learning something, especially if you don’t know how the settings may relate to another parameter and more basically, what you are listening for.
since we are dealing with primarily dance music… and even though there are many genres, there are very basic global elements which you can offer advice (which SA does cover quite a bit in-between the lines within their tutorials) such as:
common envelope settings for clicks and knocks or stabby basses (perc-y type sounds)
wave forms used for certain distinct sounds (basses - would be the easiest and most distinct for each genre, how to make a bouncy bass and when you’d use a square instead of a sine for specific tonality, etc)
order in which you’d create the sound, which envelopes (amp - filter), when and why - design then movement (modulation)
synthesis takes time and is complex, but if you are willing to offer tutorials for noobs, than i would expect something more than a smart *** reply that will essentially get the average beginner nowhere, since they’ll have no ‘right way’ to reference their trials and errors. (although i do agree that people need to research, review presets, and take notes)
sure… there are certain things that can’t be fully taught (most of which are the things people think they can learn without mustering the experience), but you can always assist in helping point those in the right direction (as the dood who provided the synthesis tutorials did)
cheers mate[/quote]
i understand what you are saying and agree with your thoughts, but you need to re-read my reply.
i was not criticizing you; i was commenting on how your reply can be viewed as non-helpful, even though your intent, i’m sure, was to be helpful, yet brief.
i made my comment because i saw that you were eagerly available to help with subjects you seemingly were comfortable with, yet gave a short snappy response to those that you weren’t. your reply to me would have probably been helpful to the original poster who requested the synthesis tutorials. meaning, you explained why they need to delve into the subject and emphasize on self-teaching and also explained you weren’t as skilled as you would like to be to provide assistance. still, you were able to throw out some sound characteristics of certain waveforms, etc… so you were actually able to ‘teach’ something.
since you remarked on your original message of doing tutorials for ableton - you actually said you were most proficient in ableton… which leaves a lot to question and request. ableton is a DAW… yet the majority (if not all) the requests were for general production and engineering help (dynamics, effects - which can be seen as sound design, etc) which are concepts not ableton specific. ableton contains synths as well… so should those not be blanketed within your statement? i am not trying to be petty… but if you were limited to certain skillsets, you should say so. this is not a negative thing… we all can’t be experts in everything, in fact, we should all be learning something new each day.
EVERYTHING is learned by experience. you cannot teach something to someone which they don’t already know. that said, you can always provide assistance in helping someone understand a subject - even when that assistance is minimal. synthesis is no different than dynamics - you can teach fundamentals and techniques, but only experience will allow you to accurately assess those techniques and if you are achieving your desired results. example - a noob follows these SA tutorials to a ‘T’ yet they don’t sound exactly like Phil’s or any of a seasoned producer’s even though they ‘did the same thing exactly the same way.’ why is that?
i applaud you for taking your time out to help…but you have to remember, YOU were the one offering assistance, and with that comes the responsibility of providing positive help, regardless if you can’t specifically help with a subject’s matter. even if Phil agrees that you can’t really fully teach a certain subject, i am positive his delivery in that statement would be more constructive and influential.
[quote]s3android (23/06/2010)[hr]
i made my comment because i saw that you were eagerly available to help with subjects you seemingly were comfortable with, yet gave a short snappy response to those that you weren’t. your reply to me would have probably been helpful to the original poster who requested the synthesis tutorials. meaning, you explained why they need to delve into the subject and emphasize on self-teaching and also explained you weren’t as skilled as you would like to be to provide assistance. still, you were able to throw out some sound characteristics of certain waveforms, etc… so you were actually able to ‘teach’ something. [/quote]
I was getting the same question asked over and over. People just kept asking the same question without reading the whole discussion.
[quote]s3android (23/06/2010)[hr]since you remarked on your original message of doing tutorials for ableton - you actually said you were most proficient in ableton… which leaves a lot to question and request. ableton is a DAW… yet the majority (if not all) the requests were for general production and engineering help (dynamics, effects - which can be seen as sound design, etc) which are concepts not ableton specific. ableton contains synths as well… so should those not be blanketed within your statement? i am not trying to be petty… but if you were limited to certain skillsets, you should say so. this is not a negative thing… we all can’t be experts in everything, in fact, we should all be learning something new each day. [/quote]
I think I put something somewhere that said that I would be able to help most with technical Ableton questions, not so much sound design.
[quote]s3android (23/06/2010)[hr]EVERYTHING is learned by experience. you cannot teach something to someone which they don’t already know. that said, you can always provide assistance in helping someone understand a subject - even when that assistance is minimal. synthesis is no different than dynamics - you can teach fundamentals and techniques, but only experience will allow you to accurately assess those techniques and if you are achieving your desired results. example - a noob follows these SA tutorials to a ‘T’ yet they don’t sound exactly like Phil’s or any of a seasoned producer’s even though they ‘did the same thing exactly the same way.’ why is that?
i applaud you for taking your time out to help…but you have to remember, YOU were the one offering assistance, and with that comes the responsibility of providing positive help, regardless if you can’t specifically help with a subject’s matter. even if Phil agrees that you can’t really fully teach a certain subject, i am positive his delivery in that statement would be more constructive and influential.
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Dude, I’m willing to help others in respect to sound design. However, I can not and will not do a video tutorial on that subject. Apparently, no one understood that since I answered the same questions over and over again. Please read back and you will see that.
My choice would be a tutorial on how to record/mix/treat/harmonize vocals to sounds like…
There are some very cool effects and mixes of vocals appearing in tracks that would be interesting to explain.
and how to wrap an acapella as well as doing a vocal chop
[quote]howiegroove (09/06/2010)[hr][quote]credentia1 (09/06/2010)[hr]synth programming would be awesome like more than just the basics in something like sylenth[/quote]
Please read at the top of this page where Alinenunez quoted me.
Thats your tutorial…[/quote]
I’m sure he’s asking about how to modulate filter envelopes, LFO’s, cutoffs, pitch, resonance…basically how to patch your synth. If you have tech skills, I don’t see why you would just dismiss this guy’s request. That’s a pretty techy part of synthesis. Telling people just to twiddle the knobs is great and all, but at some point you need to know why you are adjusting it, how it’s affecting the sound, etc.
I agree with s3android. You come off a bit arrogant in your posts because you asked what people would like to see, they tell you, and you just dismiss their ideas. Maybe you don’t mean to and I think it’s awesome that you want to help these guys, but you shouldn’t seem so dismissive of their ideas.
Yeah man, I see what you are saying, but Im just saying that I wanted to do tutorials on Ableton technical stuff. Not sound design. Thats all. I’m not being arrogant (at least not trying), but I get a little frustrated when I get the same questions asked over and over. I sincerely try and help others out. If you ask around, I’m sure others would agree. I just dont enjoy teaching synthesis. Not my strong suit.
[quote]kairotik (24/06/2010)
I agree with s3android. You come off a bit arrogant in your posts because you asked what people would like to see, they tell you, and you just dismiss their ideas. Maybe you don’t mean to and I think it’s awesome that you want to help these guys, but you shouldn’t seem so dismissive of their ideas.[/quote]
Sorry…i felt i needed to defend myself more. I just dont feel qualified to answer the “how do I make this sound” or the “teach me synthesis” questions. And again, although I dont mean to be arrogant, this wasn’t what I was willing to do videos of. Thanks for chiming in though.
I have one, dont need a tutorial just advise
To make vocals similar to dubfire, very low pitch but same tempo
Cant seem to achieve this use Wave Pitchshifter in logic, and dont know have to use Antares Autotune EVO
Can even be told how to do it in ableton then bounce out and import into logic, in kontakt
i like to see a tutorial how to make hiphop or pop music!!! all around the web we see ppl talkin’ about dance music…
well its just a suggestion!
[quote]crazyflyrecordings (24/06/2010)[hr]Can even be told how to do it in ableton then bounce out and import into logic, in kontakt[/quote]
Well, I never recommend pitch shifting more then 3 semitones. Do you have a link so I can see what you are talking about?
[quote]DJ_Labs (25/06/2010)[hr]i like to see a tutorial how to make hiphop or pop music!!! all around the web we see ppl talkin’ about dance music…
well its just a suggestion![/quote]
Hip Hop is all about drums and sampling. Slow down the tempo and throw some intricate drums in there. If you watch the dubstep tutorial, that would be similar, except without the super heavy bassline.