hey, has anyone got any tips on writing hooks in their music, are there any tricks or formulas you can follow or work with that people use?
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Do a search in this section Mate… its been covered already.
Just as an example… I started off with a basic stabby riff today.
Made 4 copies of the same channel & cut up the Midi, dragging a note or two down on each.
Make changes to each of the synths… sounds pretty cool. As Major or minor a variation as you want.
Try it on anything.
[quote]ICN (24/07/2010)[hr]Do a search in this section Mate… its been covered already.
Just as an example… I started off with a basic stabby riff today.
Made 4 copies of the same channel & cut up the Midi, dragging a note or two down on each.
Make changes to each of the synths… sounds pretty cool. As Major or minor a variation as you want.
Try it on anything.
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sounds interesting, is there a tut on this? if so where?
[quote]ICN (24/07/2010)[hr]Do a search in this section Mate… its been covered already.
Just as an example… I started off with a basic stabby riff today.
Made 4 copies of the same channel & cut up the Midi, dragging a note or two down on each.
Make changes to each of the synths… sounds pretty cool. As Major or minor a variation as you want.
Try it on anything.
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This is really and i mean really cool advice man ,you should make sure i.c.n is at every step of your production career especially if your five and one half ,…hahahahaha
[quote]egg2 (25/07/2010)[hr][quote]ICN (24/07/2010)[hr]Do a search in this section Mate… its been covered already.
Just as an example… I started off with a basic stabby riff today.
Made 4 copies of the same channel & cut up the Midi, dragging a note or two down on each.
Make changes to each of the synths… sounds pretty cool. As Major or minor a variation as you want.
Try it on anything.
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This is really and i mean really cool advice man ,you should make sure i.c.n is at every step of your production career especially if your five and one half ,…hahahahaha[/quote]
LOL :hehe:
i’m confused my this, googled it and I’m struggling to see who it use this to make some cool hooks… can anyone post a link to clear this up for me please?
I just wrote a load of stuff there & it got wiped by an error when I hit post. So annoying.
Theres really nothing in particular that I have seen, apart from in FM Mag they touch upon applying different fx to different drum sounds etc… in a loop. But its the same idea. Its a collage of different sounds. You definitely hear the technique being used, whether its intentional or not.
Take a Bar of a Kick & a Bass synth… with the synth playing a note on the off beat between the kicks. Simple riff.
Copy the bass synth 3 more times.
Now… Change each of the 3 a little from the original. You can do a new preset if you want. However, try changing the cutoff on one , the release on another and maybe do something with the lfo or maybe add an fx or something - anything, on the last.
I like doing a copy track for a synth or sound that I am opening up or fx’n. Just keeps things seperate & easier to mute. Nothing stopping you drawing in a little bit of a pitchbend on one of the notes if you want or panning them all seperately.
If you had a bit of audio, you could reverse some sounds in the riff as well.
The key here is experiment. Maybe you dont know for sure what it’ll sound like… but what you’ll be getting is a groove/tune that cannot be achieved with just one sound. I think it sounds best with quite subtle, but obviously different variations. You make trance dont you? I’m not totally familiar with that genre, but I dont think it would help you recreate the classic trance sound.
But we all probably use the same technique when doing Perc for tracks, you might choose different sounds, but they’re all part of the same groove. It depends on how stand out you want it to be… and that will influence whether you use it making your lead, or bass or perc or hats… whatever. The SA Techno Tut shows this when making the drums / bassline…
Just experiment… Nothing is wrong.
Yeah cool explanation ICN, but where is the vid?
In all seriousness though, I think I see what you are getting at. Creating a sound canvas where the sounds fuse together creating a different bigger sound - better than the sum of the original parts, as opposed to picking out an individual sounds?
Cool ICN looking forward too the vid mate
haha! A Vid! I’ll see… What about an App? LOL 
I have a long list of excuses…
Ah no… The one valid one being the screen recording software that I bought wont record audio since I changed OS. Bummer.
Yeah, the sonic canvas / tapestry / collage / stew / mess analagy is spot on.
Sure if you listen to a lot of the real complex minimal, its just a collection of sounds in this way… so much so that it seems to be constantly changing & repeating little.
here is one…
take the notes in a scale. Plug them in to your midi editor (sorry, im at work). put random before an arpeggiator then the midi instrument. Change your random to taste as well as your arpeggiator. Then… set up a midi track and resample the midi that comes out. Hit record. let it run and review and see what sounds good. You can move stuff around from there.
I use this if I have writers block.
In the Deep Tech House Vid - 16mins long - There is a bit where a couple of copies of the Synth are duplicated in this fashion.