Ableton delay when sending groups to return tracks

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Has anyone else noticed this?



Working on drums today and parallel compression, I have the compressor set up in a return track and when and tried a few things.


  1. Sending my hats kick and clap to a audio track with a compressor on it and then to a return, stright away there is a delay and the parallel compression fails.


  2. dont send to the audio track just return, same thing + cuts out 1st compressor.


  3. send each track to the return, which works without delay however its pointless as you cut out the group compression…



    Bloody nightmare, anyone else have this? Anyone know how to fix it?



    Seems to be a issue from my google search.
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Does altering the channel delay (-) fix it?

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[quote]ICN (16/04/2011)[hr]Does altering the channel delay (-)fix it?[/quote]



Channel delay?



What you talking about willis? :wink:

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It far from ideal but kinda worked around it about it by sending everything to a audio track as mentioned before and compress here, then change it to a send only to a return track with nothing on it. Then enable that to send to another return with the second compressor on it. That work with no delay.



But why the **** is there a delay in the 1st place, strange ableton thing I guess but seems to be common.


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Lol whats he doin there!



just check it and not that, even if you change the return delay to - it just phases. Will to make do with the funny way I have it. At least it works!



Maybe something you can help me with mate? :slight_smile:



When I drop out my kick from my compressed loop the clap vol goes up… now I’m guessing this is compressor setting. Any idea how I’d get around it?

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ARGH THE RETURN IS OUT OF TIME WITH THE REST OF THE TRACK!



This is so dumb!



Bloody Ableton! I really want Logic now, setting it up like with work with no issues at all on logic!

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Haha! Was worth a shot!! :smiley:

What I normally do to get around that is not to bother dropping the kick ;) 

I usually have a hipass on the master & automate the lows out from the bottom of the track… No probs!

I think I’ve read of automating the threshold or gain on the compressor @ that point in CM before… never tried it myself. 

I always had that problem, so I just leave the kick in, do the filter on the master to get rid of it altogether :slight_smile:

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I am not sure why you are having your problem. To do NY compression in Ableton just set up a return and put your compressor on it, set your threshold low and your radio high. Then adjust your send on each channel so it sounds good, somewhere between 40 - 60% I would guess.

Or am I missing something?

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[quote]TheAnt (16/04/2011)[hr]I am not sure why you are having your problem. To do NY compression in Ableton just set up a return and put your compressor on it, set your threshold low and your radio high. Then adjust your send on each channel so it sounds good, somewhere between 40 - 60% I would guess.



Or am I missing something?[/quote]



yes you are because there is a delay on abletons return tracks.



try it yourself.



set up a kick and send it to a return with nothing on it, you get a delay of a few ms, add a compressor, same thing.



totally ****s it up


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[quote]gofunk (16/04/2011)[hr][quote]TheAnt (16/04/2011)[hr]I am not sure why you are having your problem. To do NY compression in Ableton just set up a return and put your compressor on it, set your threshold low and your radio high. Then adjust your send on each channel so it sounds good, somewhere between 40 - 60% I would guess.

Or am I missing something?[/quote]

yes you are because there is a delay on abletons return tracks.

try it yourself.

set up a kick and send it to a return with nothing on it, you get a delay of a few ms, add a compressor, same thing.

totally ****s it up

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I don’t get a delay when I set up as I said above.

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humm, I do…

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Sorry ant, only happens with groups.



Group a kick and some hats and send the group to a return and you’ll see what I mean

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If you have any sends on your return tracks enabled it turns off delay compensation.

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[quote]phil johnston (16/04/2011)[hr]If you have any sends on your return tracks enabled it turns off delay compensation.[/quote]



Tried that didnt fix it.



I juyst tried to record the screen to show you all but didnt work.



However when I changed the audio the MME/DX that issue went away, so its only happening when I’m on ASIO…



Just gets stranger and stranger…



Edit…



If I turn my inputs off in ableton preffs on ASIO it also fixs it… must something to do with input lantancy

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Are the tracks armed as well?

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I do this all the time and don’t have any issues, have you tried contacting ableton??

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get a mac :wink:

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[quote]lenners (17/04/2011)[hr]get a mac ;)[/quote]



Bah!



NEVER!



I would if I had the cash! BUT ONLY FOR LOGIC!



Fixed it away, turns out it was because I was sending something to a audio track and an external input was turned on. This cause some kind of lag.



Turning the input on that track off fixed it!



Yippy!

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Good stuff