Hi Phil (and other subscribers)./PPBit of feedback regarding the Alex Tepper tutorial. /PPFirst of all, i think it was really good. I’ve seen other people comment that they would rather have you Sonic Academy guys do the tutorials, but personally i think the opposite. I would rather have guest artist tutorials like this one, as the end result is a track that could be a professional release, as the artist tends to pretty much complete the whole track (including the arrangement) as he would a professional release track./PPSecondly, i think i am right in saying that the download pack for the tutorial, did not include some of the parts for the track, like the 2 sub basslines that Alex created./PPI think it’s important to get every single part included in the track for download, as one thing that i noticed, is when i listended to the parts that i had downloaded as .aiff files,nbsp;they sounded markedly different from how theynbsp;sound in the video - i guess this is down to the lesser quality of the sound in thenbsp;video, and the fact that the video is compressed etc?/PPSo i think we need to have every part available to download. It’s also nice to be ablenbsp;to load every part as an audio file in your DAW and get your own detailed look at how every part fits together./PPReally liking this tutorial though. What other artist tutorials do you have coming up? What genres etc?
I’ll second that! I love this tutorial but the project file was missing parts. Could you guys please fix this?br
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Project file loaded fine for me in Live 9.
Disagree strongly. This tutorial was terrible. The only thing it demonstrated was what you could achieve by pasting together a load of someone else’s loops. As for making loops “our own” this consisted of MUTE and SIDECHAIN TO KICK. It was hard to find any useful information in this tutorial AT ALL. ALex didn’t even explain at least WHY he was choosing certain parts of somebody else’s loops to cobble together … nothing, just some vague babble about groove.br
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I’m sure plenty of releasable tunes have been made this way, but it hardly takes 2 hours to disseminate…br
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That said, the Eelke Kleijn walkthrough was good as are some of the others
i agree with billy. the reason i like the how to’s is that generally you see how to produce a tune from scratch. to me, producing from scratch is the best way to consistently crank out good music quickly. more how to’s please!
Thanks for the Feedback guys… we do listen to it all and are taking it in to consideration.br
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unfortunately we don’t have the same level of control with artist tutorials.br
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I think we are starting to get a picture that it is one thing being good at producing music but a totally different thing being good at teaching how to produce music.br
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[quote]phil johnston (20/04/2013)[hr]Thanks for the Feedback guys… we do listen to it all and are taking it in to consideration.br
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Yes this is the key as with everything when it comes down to teaching. Some people are just awesome at their thing but they cant teach it in a way thats understanable for someone new. But some people have the gift to teach and showing and describing how things works and why you do this and that. br
I find that the guy from squatters is really good at teaching out his way of producing. I think its a gift that some people have and some dont.br
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Like you guys in the staff, ive think ive seen videos from all “teachers” at SA and i find that Bryan was the best teacher for me. Mabye the productions wasnt the best of them (still great!) but he had a great way of keeping me interested during the whole video and learned a great deal from that. Im not say that any of you are bad teachers this is not the case, Just pointing out that his tutorials worked best for me.
Do you like when there are 2 people like some of the sample pack walkthroughs or do you prefer a singe person.br
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do you like to hear more in depth stuff about background of why we are doing thigs or do you prefer if it is straight to the point.br
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I think i feel a tutorial specific survey brewing.
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Im sorry Rob but your questions where about sonic academy private business affairs and have no relevance to learning about music technology.br
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We have the right to ban any members we feel are not contributing in a positive manor or in a manor we feel is disruptive to the community as a whole.br
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If you want leave constructive criticism then we more than happy to receive it and take it on board. but please do it with the same level of courtesy and manners as ALL the other members use.br
Phil, one of the benefits of the two person presentation is that the other guy often asks the right question. In that, the presenter sometimes needs a nudge to examd upon a topic or explain it in a different way. br
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Btw - artist tutorials are a great idea but you’re right that the quality of presentation can vary wildly.
Yeah I agree they are hit and miss… It’s also been difficult to get an even spread of different DAWs… Artists just use what they use and when we book an artist we think we could be good we don’t know initially what daw they use. Which is why there is a bit less ableton content than we previously had. br
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Though I find I can follow most techniques in any daw.br
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When the studio is sorted we will have a much better system for pumping out a faster rate of in house content. And we will have the live setup always available so we will be able to do much more interactive content in a much more regular basis.br
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[quote]phil johnston (20/04/2013)[hr]Do you like when there are 2 people like some of the sample pack walkthroughs or do you prefer a singe person.br
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I do love it when for an example you and Chris do it together like you did in the Samplepack walkthroughs, and you explain in depth why you do what you do do and why you do become voodoo! Another reason why i like it is that Chris have somethings that he is really good at, and you have things that you are really good at so 1+1=2 atleast in this case because you two work (fit) together. while some other might not.
Thats good news… its actually much easier to do them as a duo as you dont have to hold all everything in your head… the other guy is sort of the voice of the audience and hopefully asking the questions you guys are thinking.br
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interested in looking at/ reviewing different plugins or hardware.br
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doing like general chats about current topics in the industry… kind of like The Right Stuff but for music tech where we could take users questions and stuff.br
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Skype interviews like they do on Pensados place.br
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ANA sound design was terrific. the duo with one organizer leading worked well there. the tut opened doors to how to approach ideas from scratch.br
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i think it was the ableton main room house tut where phil did i riser using a rain sample from alchemy. that is the type of ‘trickery’ i would like to see.br
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there was an ableton tech tutorial where short room reverb from aether was used to make percussion more ‘elegant’. that is something i took away and generally do on all my tracks now to make them sound a little more pro.br
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conner’s mastering tutorial and the live streaming was an awsome intro to mastering. i still have much to learn. i feel we can never learn too much about mixing mastering (e.g. using a multi band on a drum bus to make tracks sound more pro).br
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in general, i am after making tracks sound more pro and techniques to get there.br
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i like the how to’s because it is almost like you understand the whole thought process with creating a track within a genre.br
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responses to tech questions on this forum are quite helpful as well.br
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anyway, thought some examples of what i value might be helpful.
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Totaly agree with cosmic at this, these are great things. as well as what i wrote in the earlier post.br
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Well this can okey as long as the “production” videos still shows up at the same rate.br
For hardware, Could be cool if you did a top 5 list of Headphones, Studio monitors, Subs, Audio interfaces. For a decent price. (as for starters and home producers)br
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This might just be my own opinion but reviews for different plugins might not fit in here. Might take up to much of the attention, and people will spend heaps of money on different synths drum machines etc. I feel if you want do read about this or learn there are so many other sites that does this!br
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Yes This could be pretty cool. I really like it when you guys did those live videos and you had an QnA part :)br
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Depend on who and what you talk about, but this could be pretty cool. You should definatly try it once and see what the peep thinks.br
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Im a logic user and most of the things that you learn in tutorial is totally translatable to other daws as long as you know your own daw. But some things are really hard to do. br
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Overall I think the SA How to guides are better than the artist walkthroughs. It’s better to have tut’s that are in depth like the deep house one that deals with specific tips etc. The reason being once you have watched a few tut’s you don’t need to watch things that just cover the basics as they are more or less the same in every course.br
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Plus I would like it if the styles covered were more contemporary, I know you guys are big trance fans but it’s not the most current of sounds. People like Ame, Dixon, Eats Everything, Disclosure and Huxley are absolutely huge at the minute and get no coverage whatsoever.
+1 for this thread.br
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I really like that you guys, ask your customers, in the end its no business without happy customers, many companies can learn from you guys.br
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Many things that have been said, I find true. And good to know that SA will come back on track in the near future.br
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I posted a similar post in: http://forums.sonicacademy.com/Topic95152-13-1.aspxbr
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Please read for my suggestions, though its much the same as other ppl have said.br
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Cheers!
So more of me, I like how this thread thinks;)br
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[quote]alanluvsfunk (22/04/2013)[hr]Overall I think the SA How to guides are better than the artist walkthroughs. It’s better to have tut’s that are in depth like the deep house one that deals with specific tips etc. The reason being once you have watched a few tut’s you don’t need to watch things that just cover the basics as they are more or less the same in every course.br
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