Do you think it’s right that people with no/little production skill / knowledge should be able to pay someone to ghost produce a track for them so that they can fool the world into thinking it’s ‘their track’ and thus raise their profile as a DJ/producer?
I’m thinking ghost producing has it’s areas, such as if you’ve already proven yourself as a producer and you’re too busy DJing all over the world to have time to engineer your tracks (for example), but you should still be behind the ideas such as melodies etc.
I kinda think it’s morally wrong to bullsh*t the world with “hey check out my new tune” and having no input what so ever behind the track other than having given someone a couple of hundred quid to make it.
Your thoughts?
Does it happen really? I know that a lot of DJs produce as in the old fashioned meaning they make the decisions but use an engineer to do the work.
But does anyone have a track made for them with no input and claim it is theirs?
And if yes, how do we know? If you are paying someone for doing the work you will make them sign a non disclosure agreement, I would anyway.
I’ve had a think about it… and say “Yes”.
Its not like they are raping disabled children or starting genocide here.
They should be upfront about it though & at least give a credit, or whatever… a la “Pop Stars” - Which might be the (commercial) territory that these Guys are possibly in.
It smarts when you look at it from a personal POV, given the interest & time that “You” have put into it. Some people cook from scratch (Us), others open a Packet (Loops) and some ring for Take-Away (Cnuts).
I think the real crime is when people dont fess up about it and get caught out & look like fkking C0cks. Thats utterly shameful 
If it was dead people coming back from the grave, if it was those type of ghosts I would be against it in principal.
Woooo! Spooky!!
My boss says I am brain dead - and me ex said I was dead from the waist down does that make me a ghost producer ?
[quote][b]It smarts when you look at it from a personal POV, given the interest & time that “You” have put into it. Some people cook from scratch (Us), others open a Packet (Loops) and some ring for Take-Away (Cnuts).[/quote]
Some people cook and open packets. Sometimes in the same meal 
As for ghosting, I don’t care. From a listener’s pov it makes no difference whether you enjoy it or not. From a creator’s pov as long as the ghost gets paid and he/she enters into the agreement knowing what’s going to happen, who cares.
It happens in book writing all the time, especially with famous people and I don’t just mean celebs.
[quote]slender (05/04/2011)[hr]My boss says I am brain dead - and me ex said I was dead from the waist down does that make me a ghost producer ?[/quote]
Didn’t she say that you’d made HER dead from the waist down? Well, numb at least 
[quote]jonsloan (05/04/2011)[hr][quote]It happens in book writing all the time, especially with famous people and I don’t just mean celebs.[/quote]
A good friend of mine ghost wrote a rock stars biography and made a packet out of it, first royalty check bought him a flat in north London. Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy.
There’s rumor that David Guetta has been helped alot. Think by Joachim Garraud. Not sure whether that still happens. But Tiesto is using some producers as well.
Not always for entire tracks, but often for ideas or loops, etc.
Don’t see any harm in ghost writing. It’s all business & marketing.
i think its really the fans that get screwed from ghost writers…
all giant DJs aside (tiesto, guetta, armin, etc…)…
say you are just some no-name DJ, that wants to get a track out on beatport so that you can claim that you have skills and go get more DJ gigs, But the problem is that you have no talent as a musician or as a producer, so you have to go and get somebody to do all of the hardwork for you… you are really just kidding yourself. and should be shot IMHO.
Think about it if you were not a producer/DJ/whatever…
If you are just some fan of dance music or a regular club goer.
You stumble upon some DJ whose music you like at an event.
Then you become a FAN of this DJ and follow his or her productions.
You buy their music, follow them on the web and support them when you can…
And then you find out that the dude didn’t make any of their music. they ghosted it all.
I would be freaking pissed. I would feel cheated. I would hate that artist forever.
Don’t believe me?
Try to envision what all the 12 year old girls would think if Justin Bieber wasn’t really singing.
You think he’d get another record deal? Yeahhhhhh right. I got a bridge to sell you.
i have loads of ideas and sounds flying round inside my head but i cant reproduce them
i can go the slow way and learn how to do it myself (which i am trying)
or i can got the rich/famous person way and pay someone to replicate the noise i have in my head
i dont see owt wrong with that.
james brown wrote his stuff in his head and he hummed/tapped/grunted it out for bobby byrd or maceo parker to translate into notes for the band to play…its was still james browns music
putting my name on someone elses ideas is another matter.
[quote]chekka (05/04/2011)[hr]i have loads of ideas and sounds flying round inside my head but i cant reproduce them
i can go the slow way and learn how to do it myself (which i am trying)
or i can got the rich/famous person way and pay someone to replicate the noise i have in my head
i dont see owt wrong with that.
james brown wrote his stuff in his head and he hummed/tapped/grunted it out for bobby byrd or maceo parker to translate into notes for the band to play…its was still james browns music
putting my name on someone elses ideas is another matter.[/quote]
The amount of people that DO put their name on somebody else’s ideas is astounding.
I’d also say that the big majority of people that go through the ghost writing process are DJs that have no talent. They know it so they have to ghost in order for them to be able to post to their facebook walls they they have a track out on beatport.
Nobody… especially not me. Is saying James Brown didnt have talent. NO question he does.
But being a DJ does != talent
here is a youtube video of a guy that had somebody “engineer” his track.
check out the comments.
click here for youtube
[quote]daniaan (05/04/2011)[hr]There’s rumor that David Guetta has been helped alot. Think by Joachim Garraud. Not sure whether that still happens. But Tiesto is using some producers as well.
Not always for entire tracks, but often for ideas or loops, etc.
Don’t see any harm in ghost writing. It’s all business & marketing.[/quote]
no question that Guetta is getting mad help. i mean i never heard of the guy until all the sudden he’s considered one of the best dj’s in the world just like that!!
seemed so quick!! it’s all about the marketing!!
Guetta proved that to me more than anyone!!
[quote]willidaniel (05/04/2011)[hr][quote]
no question that Guetta is getting mad help. i mean i never heard of the guy until all the sudden he’s considered one of the best dj’s in the world just like that!!
seemed so quick!! it’s all about the marketing!!
Guetta proved that to me more than anyone!![/quote]
What? When did you hear about David Guetta? Just a little more love came out 10 years ago, and he was DJing before that, I wouldn’t exactly call that over night.
I engineer tracks for people. They have come to my studio with ideas and i have done the tracks for them from what they have brought and the input they bring. My name doesn’t go on the release but they do let people know that i was the engineer.
I think thats ok if your going to be honest and say “these were my ideas but someone else laid them down for me”
But saying “yeh i made this tune” when you didn’t is a bit wrong. You have to credit those that put in the work
[quote]TheAnt (05/04/2011)[hr][quote]willidaniel (05/04/2011)[hr][quote]
no question that Guetta is getting mad help. i mean i never heard of the guy until all the sudden he’s considered one of the best dj’s in the world just like that!!
seemed so quick!! it’s all about the marketing!!
Guetta proved that to me more than anyone!![/quote]
What? When did you hear about David Guetta? Just a little more love came out 10 years ago, and he was DJing before that, I wouldn’t exactly call that over night.[/quote]
just to the degree of how big he’s gotten. he’s marketing team is ace!! heard plenty more producers/dj that i thought were a lot better than guetta in my opinion that haven’t come close to his popularity right now. and probably never will. but hey that’s the nature of this business.
[quote]TheAnt (05/04/2011)[hr][quote]willidaniel (05/04/2011)[hr][quote]
no question that Guetta is getting mad help. i mean i never heard of the guy until all the sudden he’s considered one of the best dj’s in the world just like that!!
seemed so quick!! it’s all about the marketing!!
Guetta proved that to me more than anyone!![/quote]
What? When did you hear about David Guetta? Just a little more love came out 10 years ago, and he was DJing before that, I wouldn’t exactly call that over night.[/quote]
lol. willi is a trance head so we gotta cut him a little slack in the house department 
2 his point… yeah great marketing helps. but really its not even that.
Guetta’s popularity is directly related to 1 thing. Commercially Viable Music.
All of Guetta’s music is commercial music. Stuff you hear on the radio. ie Love is Gone.
All of the remixes he does are with HUGE commercial pop artists.
If you make commercial music & collaborate with pop stars… ur gunna get noticed. fact.
[quote]willidaniel (05/04/2011)[hr][quote]TheAnt (05/04/2011)[hr][quote]willidaniel (05/04/2011)[hr][quote]
no question that Guetta is getting mad help. i mean i never heard of the guy until all the sudden he’s considered one of the best dj’s in the world just like that!!
seemed so quick!! it’s all about the marketing!!
Guetta proved that to me more than anyone!![/quote]
What? When did you hear about David Guetta? Just a little more love came out 10 years ago, and he was DJing before that, I wouldn’t exactly call that over night.[/quote]
just to the degree of how big he’s gotten. he’s marketing team is ace!! heard plenty more producers/dj that i thought were a lot better than guetta in my opinion that haven’t come close to his popularity right now. and probably never will. but hey that’s the nature of this business.[/quote]
he has the same marketing team as Tiesto has. Ferry, Carl Cox, and some others…
even if his tracks aren’t the “greatest” we have ever heard… (they ain’t. we’ve all heard better)… but they are so catchy & commercial that radio stations love to play em.
guetta is actively trying to bridge the gap from house music → Billboard top 100.