Didn’t know about the Avicii Loves X project before until you just mentioned it!/PPJust had a look on the website, interesting concept but there were a few things that made me think that it’s just another big PR and Marketing exercise for Avicii to obtain a load of Facebook contacts, likes and email addresses etc. Shame!
Beatport, iTunes, and any digital download domain is a business. It would counter intuitive to regulate tracks that should be in the top 100 ( C’mon what are we communists here!) If the song gets buys weather its from actual djs or us SA buying our own tracks, i dont see what thats proving. They make their money is thier primary goal, doesn’t matter if its the bestnbsp;track in the worldnbsp;or PSY making stupid crap. nbsp;We all know that you will get gigs from sales, likes, etc. To measure the monetary valuenbsp;you receivenbsp;compared to beatport sales is not a apples to apples comparison. Its not like you can say " Ok, I have 3 tracks in top 10, grossed 20k and nownbsp;I will make 10K in gigs. Doesn’t work like that. But yes, i do agree with everyone above that increasing awareness and and buying own tracks (just like buying likes to be #1 dj Poll ( Guetta LOL) is great and braging right.
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Is it? I hear crap on a weekly basis in the Top10
[quote]Roben (14/03/2013)[hr][quote]nicowuyts (13/03/2013)[hr]David,BRBRof course it’s about good music in the first place. [/quote]BRBRIs it? I hear crap on a weekly basis in the Top10[/quote]/PPLikewise… that’s why I said: don’t buy the top 10’s.nbsp; For various reasons, but the one you mentioned is obviously the most important 
Phil, I’m in. But why make a “fake artist” when we can just make a SA collab and push it ourselves? We can choose a genre or two a month, work on a track and put it on soundcloud for review, then we vote on which we like the best and send it up. Everyone buys a copy and then we see what happens. br
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If nothing else, making the top 10 would be great advertisement for SA.br
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[quote]djstoli (13/03/2013)[hr]Beatport, iTunes, and any digital download domain is a business. It would counter intuitive to regulate tracks that should be in the top 100 ( C’mon what are we communists here!) If the song gets buys weather its from actual djs or us SA buying our own tracks, i dont see what thats proving. They make their money is thier primary goal, doesn’t matter if its the besttrack in the worldor PSY making stupid crap. We all know that you will get gigs from sales, likes, etc. To measure the monetary valueyou receivecompared to beatport sales is not a apples to apples comparison. Its not like you can say " Ok, I have 3 tracks in top 10, grossed 20k and nowI will make 10K in gigs. Doesn’t work like that. But yes, i do agree with everyone above that increasing awareness and and buying own tracks (just like buying likes to be #1 dj Poll ( Guetta LOL) is great and braging right.[/quote]br
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The whole industry has a modicum of “emperors new cloths” about it. PR and marketing can shift genres make up and comers famous over night i.e Zedd etc. br
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You still have to have a quality product but if you dont combine it with all the other stuff you wont get as far obviously.br
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what i would be interested in is what different types of marketing impacts sales and if you can really speculate to accumulate with “decent” product.br
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like does spending 1k on PR adwords etc get you more sales than buying 1k of your own tracks?
I was under the impression that, at least as far as commercially-driven artists are concerned,nbsp;getting a track in the Beatport charts was the be-all and end-all of everything these days?/PPI am still really interested to get some idea from someone who knows - how are promotors finding and choosing the artists that they book these days, in the main?/PPDoes it even have anything to do with who’s riding high in the Beatport charts?/PPOr do the agents of the DJ’s/Producers contact the promotors these days and sell their artists to them, rather than the other way around?
[quote]phil johnston (14/03/2013)[hr]The whole industry has a modicum of “emperors new cloths” about it. PR and marketing can shift genres make up and comers famous over night i.e Zedd etc. br
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You still have to have a quality product but if you dont combine it with all the other stuff you wont get as far obviously.br
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what i would be interested in is what different types of marketing impacts sales and if you can really speculate to accumulate with “decent” product.br
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Why else would Skrillex sweep the grammy’s 2 years in a row?br
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(sorry to any dubstep fans/producers)
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Great Q.br
Between us all we know a fair few high charting artists, perhaps we could just… I know this is a crazy idea… ask them? 
I thought I might add this here, because it kind of confirms what we’ve been discussing here…PThere’s a beatport client survey going on right now and it features the following question (to be rated from ‘not at all important’ to ‘extremely important’):/PP"An option to pay to have my music featured"/PPThere you have it… The “if”-question is answered, now it’s a question of “how much to get what”…
Since we home school our kids we tend to get a lot of leeway when it comes to going to companies and asking for interviews/tours. With Beatport being here in town (I’m now living in Denver again) my kids have expressed interest in touring that company and I’d like to check it out for myself so I have my kids compiling a list of questions to present to them and when they’re done I’ll call them up and ask if we can do an interview/tour. br
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That said, I can ask what they do with clients who obviously boost their own sales to increase their status. Anyone have any other questions that you’d like me to ask?
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did they really just sell for 50 million quid… and can i have some.
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I’ll add both of your questions to the list! Gotta wait for my son to compile his before I call them though.
I would be interested in knowing the credentials a label needs to have to be able to sell its stuff on beatport.nbsp; Not that I have any ambition to start up a label.nbsp; It’s just that I’ve been hearing different stories about this.nbsp; One says almost anyone can start up a label and start selling, and another one says it’s notoriously difficult to get up on Beatport.nbsp; So as a hobby-producer I’m interested in knowing what standards are used to allow labels to release on beatport (for instance: is there a certain level of quality needednbsp;in the label’snbsp;releases?nbsp; Is there a minimum number of releases per month or per year?nbsp; Maybe it’s a just a mather of accounting numbers (revenues from past sales etc.) Could be many other things I couldn’t even come up with).nbsp; PJust for myself to know if (besides a bigger potential reach of a release) it’s more interesting to chose a label that’s represented on Beatport or it doesn’t mean anything for any of us.nbsp; In other words is ‘releasing on beatport’ possibly a “quality label”?nbsp; (Of course they’re going to say yes to that)nbsp;But more specifically: why?
There are quite a few aggregaters which enable you to get your music on beatport, itunes, spotify etc.br
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So as I understand it, it’s just a moneything in which companies have found a way of making a living out of it by doing it in bulknbsp;:P/PPAnother thing I was wondering about beatport: What’s thenbsp;thing withnbsp;the “exclusive” releases?nbsp; In what way is it beneficial for the label or distributor? What’s the catch?nbsp; There has to be a way in which it gives beatport some extra revenue because otherwise they wouldn’t ask for exclusivity.nbsp; Is this extra number of sales so significant?nbsp; Does any of this money flow back to the labels?nbsp; What’s the incentive they get from beatport to grant them this exclusivity?nbsp; Or is it part of a deal between the above mentioned distributing websites to give beatport the chance to be first and does the money stay there?
Would imagine it’s just a marketing and promotional tool for Beatport.br
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I would hazard a guess that Beatport don’t particularly give a **** about any of the artists, so they couldn’t care less if they lose sales.br
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If Beatport have exclusive tracks, it looks good for them, and is another tool they have in their armoury to try and convince people to buy their tracks from them, rather than any of their competitors.br
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Interesting - just checked out those distribution services that you listed Phil - so basically pretty much anyone can get their music on Beatport now then, without the overall quality of the music even being a consideration? I didn’t see anything that mentioned that the tracks were vetted for quality first?br
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Has anyone used these distribution companies in the past- what have people experiences been of this?
[quote]davidmclean (22/03/2013)[hr]Interesting - just checked out those distribution services that you listed Phil - so basically pretty much anyone can get their music on Beatport now then, without the overall quality of the music even being a consideration? I didn’t see anything that mentioned that the tracks were vetted for quality first?br
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As someone who listens to the new releases at least once a week in a few genres on beatport I can tell you that quite a few have a very low standard of quality. Or it’s just my ear that doesn’t want to hear junky songs.