I have just read that the next tutorial is going to be in logic.
This is the 5th non-Ableton in a row.
I do not want the thread to be a ‘follow along in another DAW debate’, please hear me out.
There was a vote not so long ago - I cant find the thread now - I had it a sec ago - where Ableton won hands done as the most popular used. Seconded by Logic I think.
Would it not make sense - S.A. - to cater towards the subscription masses? - Im not saying only Ableton either
S.A. Please bi- monthly vote sticky posting in the subscribers section, this will be free market research for you
No, you cant please everyone and you have to attract new consumers I know, your a business, but I for one joined because of the heavy Ableton leanings, but its leaning away and to be honest so is my subscription.
FWIW this is a very good forum, one of the best out there and videos are excellent so I hope I dont have to move on. I can only afford one subscription of this size so I need it to meet my needs.
Thanks
J
Hiya hindsite
I have to disagree man, even though I’m an ableton user myself I think there should be a balance on what daw the tuts are done in and and balance on what music styles are covered.
I think the minorities should have their bit too
[quote]Mussi81 (04/08/2010)[hr]Hiya hindsite
I have to disagree man, even though I’m an ableton user myself I think there should be a balance on what daw the tuts are done in and and balance on what music styles are covered.
I think the minorities should have their bit too
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I am also an Ableton user and I agree with everything Mussi81 says. Balance is the way to go.
Well, the balance should be in accordance with what the users use right? So, if there’s roughly 70% of ppl on here using Ableton then 70% of the tuts should be in that DAW shouldn’t they?
Whilst it is possible to follow a tut in a different DAW I know I would prefer it to be in the one I am actually using.
how about a compromise?
Whichever daw they do these in if they hit something that isn’t available in the other daws such as Grrove agent they recommend somethign similar at teh time.
So groove agent = drum rack i suppose.
Example being: when they get to the groove agent part they could just say if you are working
That way everyone can work along with it.
I am all for balance as well, seems like a good buisness model too attrct non-Ableton users to the site
[quote]jonsloan (04/08/2010)[hr]Well, the balance should be in accordance with what the users use right? So, if there’s roughly 70% of ppl on here using Ableton then 70% of the tuts should be in that DAW shouldn’t they?
Whilst it is possible to follow a tut in a different DAW I know I would prefer it to be in the one I am actually using.[/quote]
I have years of experaince in business development from large corps to SME’s. I would tihnk this is basic business acumen, may be add slightly more tuts on the lower % of daw’s to attract more customers but in order to retain customers you will need to follow your customer base’s trends.
If you are doing a business develop drive to gain business from people that use other daws then fine, do a higher much higher % of tuts for these daws. However your existing customer should come 1st and not suffer as you will not retain them.
Please bear this in mind SA, If this mean you need to take on some more employees or whatever it maybe then do it… cash flow also comes into this as well so say for example u cant aford a new tutor then I would advise you balance what your doing very carefully and use things like the fourm polls, interaction with your customer base etc. There are plenty of things I can think of… the sames apply to tuts and genres.
Have you thought about employing a business develpment manager to take care of this area? Just another idea to chuck in there. My CV is available on request! hahaha! 
[quote]Mussi81 (04/08/2010)[hr]Hiya hindsite
I have to disagree man, even though I’m an ableton user myself I think there should be a balance on what daw the tuts are done in and and balance on what music styles are covered.
I think the minorities should have their bit too
:)[/quote]
Yeah totally agree.
LOL Wayne - I see your taking a leaf out of HouseJacks book 
Music2000
i sort of agree with the post were 70% of ppl on here use ableton, therefore that percentage of tuts should be in ableton.
its actually 73% of us use ableton. does make total sense to me
its like a pub were its biggest seller is fosters for example. their not gonna start buying more becks for the customers are they???
[quote]slender (04/08/2010)[hr]LOL Wayne - I see your taking a leaf out of HouseJacks book :P[/quote]
haha, just thought I’d chuck that one it to brighten up my comments!
But really I think that is how they should do it… they are a business and business want to grow. Which it what I think sonic are trying to do (the business plan would be all wrong if not!) but judging by the fact this topic is even here they may very well be forgetting or dropping off in areas (such as tuts in ableton) and focusing on other areas such as tut in logic. No problem with foucsing on another DAW but not at the sacrifice of tut in Ableton as this is where there main customer base is. Sure is hard to keep everyone happy, and its a balanceing act… maybe if it was balanced better we wouldnt having be this convo
That being said maybe they have a bunch of tuts in ableton in the pipeline… then timing would need to be factored in, ie 3 logic tut the 4 tuts… No mix it up a bit 2 ableton and 1 logic and then the next batch 2 ableton 2 logic for exmple (takeing my last comments into account)
There is a lot of things which could be factored which would keep people happy, which when thought through correctly would keep the majority happy and the current minority happy… that minority could become part of the majority… do it wrong, and the majority will become the minority if you see where I’m coming from
also I wonder how many members voted on the poll and how many member they have… food for thought there to guys…
i think its a risk moving away from ableton. if that ever happened!!
how would they know for sure if a s**t load of customers using logic and cubase etc
would join the site?
if that big a percentage use ableton on here then surely alot of ppl that arnt on this site
use ableton more as well. dont they?
Personally - Does not matter what DAW the Tuts are in.
Only thing that matters is the amount of new content.
SA are branching out. Their business is changing. Everyone needs to accept that or vote with their feet. There will always be customer churn & new customers signing up. The world will keep on turning.
Its a pretty good measure of your ability as to whether you can apply something to another application. Thats why I dont care if they are in Cubase, Live or Music2000.
I appreciate all knowledge that is relevant to my interests, regardless of DAW or Synth. I want to push myself.
How many of these threads are here on SA? I never know whether to take them seriously or not. SA are a business. Fair enough they have customers, but they wont be blackmailed by the minority of the majority.
If you leave - If I leave… someone else will take our places. Shame, but its a fact.
I’m sure like a lot of people here, I have not watched all the content on this site. I only watch what is relevant to me. I accept that there is going to be X amount of stuff there that I will never view & am happy with it. Its like subcribing to Future Music or Computer Music Mag’s and Emailing them 6 months in, complaining that the mag isnt about your DAW. SA know exactly what their customers want. Of course they listen. Its their website. Forums are Gas.
As long as its new ground / new techniques - fair play.
[quote]ICN (04/08/2010)[hr]Personally - Does not matter what DAW the Tuts are in.
Only thing that matters is the amount of new content.
SA are branching out. Their business is changing. Everyone needs to accept that or vote with their feet. There will always be customer churn & new customers signing up. The world will keep on turning.
Its a pretty good measure of your ability as to whether you can apply something to another application. Thats why I dont care if they are in Cubase, Live or Music2000.
I appreciate all knowledge that is relevant to my interests, regardless of DAW or Synth. I want to push myself.
How many of these threads are here on SA? I never know whether to take them seriously or not. SA are a business. Fair enough they have customers, but they wont be blackmailed by the minority of the majority.
If you leave - If I leave… someone else will take our places. Shame, but its a fact.
I’m sure like a lot of people here, I have not watched all the content on this site. I only watch what is relevant to me. I accept that there is going to be X amount of stuff there that I will never view & am happy with it. Its like subcribing to Future Music or Computer Music Mag’s and Emailing them 6 months in, complaining that the mag isnt about your DAW. SA know exactly what their customers want. Of course they listen. Its their website. Forums are Gas.
As long as its new ground / new techniques - fair play.[/quote]
Word.
Im obviously in the minority opinion using the majority DAW.
My point is if they moved the pinned postings from how to sound like to The paying customers section they could get better feedback on the paying customers likes and dislikes. Not ask any tom **** or Harry that visits the forum and offers their opinion - as one of you said forums are gas. They dont have to tailor there business model to it 100%
I have never on my posts mentioned not catering for the minority or go in on direction or the other either.
It was balanced paying customer feedback - constructive criticism, not an idealistic sanctimonious lecture.
[quote]ICN (04/08/2010)[hr]Personally - Does not matter whatDAW the Tuts are in.
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reading your my space tag that statement is quite ironic:D