[quote]slender (25/10/2010)[hr]I think if you started a production thread as well you may get more organised - I am sure if you chatted to Wayne (gofunk) he would be up for it as well as others - as ICN and others have said we tech heads have a nice little community going on in front and behind the scenes as we share tracks and tips which has made a pleasurable experince on this forum even better - and lets face it this forum is ALL about sharing our knowledge
If you see someone posting a trance htsl politly post a link to your original thread it will gradually catch on, i promise as it was only ICN and myself who came up with the idea
Anyway I will support you and any other HTSL thread if it is done in an realistic and non moaning way - best of luck[/quote]
yep I defo would, already done a wee tut… plan on doing somemore… (still need to get that to u bryan…havent forgot just very busy!)
[quote]hastafuego (25/10/2010)[hr][quote]phil johnston (25/10/2010)[hr][quote]hastafuego (25/10/2010)[hr][quote]jon_fisher (24/10/2010)[hr][quote]hastafuego (24/10/2010)[hr]I think once users start thinking in frequency separation they will be producing better sounding tunes.[/quote]
Personally i think once you even start to think like that your music will suck big hairy balls. Muisc is uspposed to be about passion and feelings. approaching everything like a scientist will kill what ever creativity you have.
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I wasnt suggesting people approach music as a scientist, but surely understandig the science and theory behind any artform gives a creative person more tools to work with.[/quote]
Spectral mixiing is only one way to mix… My personal prefrence is to get the source sounds right and eq as little as posible and just balance the sounds… I never really think about frequecies just about if stuff sound good together.[/quote]
It seems rather bizarre that on a website which has its main function of selling technical training that people should find it so strange that I ask that the tutors explain why they chose to pitch a kick drum at say 80 Hz and not at 120 Hz. I have plenty of passion and inspiration; I don’t need anyone to teach me that. Music for most people is intuitive but behind intuition one needs technical knowledge that why I use Sonic Academy.[/quote]
I think you need to have a balance of both and use at the appropiate time - but what do I know as i am rubbish 
[quote]bangthedj (25/10/2010)[hr][quote]phil johnston (25/10/2010)
also it can be frustrating as you can paint yourself in to a corner pretty quick… for example… if i was making one of my own tracks i might change the kick, snare hats bass sound many times throughout a track to get them to gel… which is why i create all the basics first then kinda work back. It wouldnt really work if i got halfway through a tut and went “all them sounds at the start are rubbish im going to change them all” but thats what i do in real life sometimes.[/quote]
In a weird way I’d like this sort of thing left into a tutorial! To see the whole complete production process from a pro warts and all. The sanitized version might give people performance anxiety lol.
I’m not suggesting you actually do this as others might just want the good ness, but interesting to know![/quote]
Yeah i would love to see this too, I know its probably a big ask but if you did a tutorial on making a track (any it doesn’t matter) and actually record (if any) all the pit falls and problems that you find along the way and show how you deal with it. if i video one your happy with your beat but in video 6 its not gelling then its not that much of a heart ache to up some extra samples along the way.
this could probably be such a huge cofidence booster becasue i used to think it was just me when i first started out but i now know after being in a studio with others that everyone gets these problems.
Could be on to something with this you know.
[quote]hastafuego (25/10/2010)[hr][quote]phil johnston (25/10/2010)[hr][quote]hastafuego (25/10/2010)[hr][quote]jon_fisher (24/10/2010)[hr][quote]hastafuego (24/10/2010)[hr]I think once users start thinking in frequency separation they will be producing better sounding tunes.[/quote]
Personally i think once you even start to think like that your music will suck big hairy balls. Muisc is uspposed to be about passion and feelings. approaching everything like a scientist will kill what ever creativity you have.
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I wasnt suggesting people approach music as a scientist, but surely understandig the science and theory behind any artform gives a creative person more tools to work with.[/quote]
Spectral mixiing is only one way to mix… My personal prefrence is to get the source sounds right and eq as little as posible and just balance the sounds… I never really think about frequecies just about if stuff sound good together.[/quote]
It seems rather bizarre that on a website which has its main function of selling technical training that people should find it so strange that I ask that the tutors explain why they chose to pitch a kick drum at say 80 Hz and not at 120 Hz. I have plenty of passion and inspiration; I don’t need anyone to teach me that. Music for most people is intuitive but behind intuition one needs technical knowledge that why I use Sonic Academy.[/quote]
I’m guessing that when most people start producing a track they would start by picking a kick they liked the sound of and not based on it’s frequency, maybe later when the basics are down you may go back and decide to change something because of a sound not sounding correct of clashing. usually the reason for picking a super low kick 40-80hz if because the bass is sitting higher in the low 100’s and maybe picking a 90-120hz would be because you had a low subby bass but that’s just one reason for picking different kicks.
[quote]jon_fisher (25/10/2010)[hr][quote]hastafuego (25/10/2010)[hr][quote]phil johnston (25/10/2010)[hr][quote]hastafuego (25/10/2010)[hr][quote]jon_fisher (24/10/2010)[hr][quote]hastafuego (24/10/2010)[hr]I think once users start thinking in frequency separation they will be producing better sounding tunes.[/quote]
Personally i think once you even start to think like that your music will suck big hairy balls. Muisc is uspposed to be about passion and feelings. approaching everything like a scientist will kill what ever creativity you have.
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I wasnt suggesting people approach music as a scientist, but surely understandig the science and theory behind any artform gives a creative person more tools to work with.[/quote]
Spectral mixiing is only one way to mix… My personal prefrence is to get the source sounds right and eq as little as posible and just balance the sounds… I never really think about frequecies just about if stuff sound good together.[/quote]
It seems rather bizarre that on a website which has its main function of selling technical training that people should find it so strange that I ask that the tutors explain why they chose to pitch a kick drum at say 80 Hz and not at 120 Hz. I have plenty of passion and inspiration; I don’t need anyone to teach me that. Music for most people is intuitive but behind intuition one needs technical knowledge that why I use Sonic Academy.[/quote]
I dont think its a case of inspiration or what ever just practice and training you ears to hear subtle differences.
its good to know from just listening that a particular kick is booming at 90hz so you know what to try first with an EQ or what to look for when balancing you bass.
The difficulty with “do this at this frequency” is that its all relative to the other sounds in the track. You HAVE to learn to use your ears and feel the vibe because tweaking the EQ every time at 80Hz or 120 Hrz isnt going to work for every kick or bass.
I really think people need to get of this spectral/frequency freight train to hell i really doubt the tutors here sit around looking at kick drums on spectrum and saying oh yeah this kick has a great peak frequency at 76.9234523 hz which as we all know is the key frequency in hard dance and so we will use this for that tutorial. Also if this is the way you think as a producer you need to 1. Erase everything you think you know about producing 2. Start again 3. Use those big things on the side of your head! Seriously i dont get mind boggled easily but when i see people asking why tutors tune specific kick drums to a certain frequency and why certain frequencies are chosen i just think wtf?!? I will make it really simple. You can tune your drums to be in key with each other every sample will have a key peak frequency, frequencies relate to notes as seen not on tv but on a piano. Sounds that peak heavily in the same frequency range like for example a kick and a bass they mask or in simple terms cover each other up. You remove frequencies to make room for other frequencies for example some hi hat samples have some low mud on them that you might not hear but are not needed if left untreated they will muddy up your low end so you remove them! No genres i repeat no genres have a specific frequency that define it to pit it once again if you make a track with no frequencies in it above 3khz and it sounds good then it sounds good. No one unless mentaly retarded or just moronic is gonna listen to your good track and say oh im terribly sorry this track does not have some peaks in the 7.5khz region so this is definately NOT a Hardcore track or house track or whatever. Rant over.
I just want to see some diversity, i like to listen to many genres and the tutorials now are fine but i see people asking for the same type of sound over and over again which is fine i just like learning the techniques…but i would love to learn what goes into making Styles like…
NeuroFunk;like Noisia,Spor,Black Sun Empire, Phace, Ed Rush & Optical.
Trip Hop; Like Massive attack, Portishead, DJ Shadow.
IDM; Like Boards of Canada, Trentemoller, SquarePusher.
Liquid Drum&bass; Like Netsky, Grafix, Fred V, Danny Byrd
Hip Hop; Like 9th Wonder, Pete Rock, RZA
Indie Dance/Nu Disco; like Boys Noize, Soulwax, SebastiAn
You know something different…which i feel i can learn so many new techniques from…
I’m with Subject1 here. It’d be good to have a more diverse range of styles going forward for the big (multi part) tuts. For me personally Liquid/Minimal D&B, IDM and Trip Hop would be super cool. I’d prefer that to a techno, trance, or house big tut.
Though it’s interesting in the new minimal techno tut that Phil uses it as a platform to teach broader elements of synthesis and field recording, which is great.