I’d love to see a tutorial leaning towards a more ‘cut n paste’ style talking about sampling and making beats.
Think DJ Shadow or Coldcut?
Either using racks or slicing in ableton or Guru or maschine or any tool like that.
I love crate digging and collecting loops would be cool to see a more digital technique to it.
Just my thoughts
Oh and some Drum n Bass ala Hospital Records please Phil 
This has been a funny auld thread. I was drunk the other night, going to bed & thought I’d get some old thread back from the dead.
Gas 
Yeah and u know ICN im not some little troll thats gonna bitch and moan all night long i guess im more pissed at sonic with a few others with the reactions we have gotten regarding the trance stuff and its mind boggling because of people like Phil and Chris being tutors here you would expect the place to be filled with trance and tbh ‘irish’ trance has a certain sound which i woulda guessed would have been right up sonics street. Just a theory imagine Phil and Chris got Gleave Dobbin round and did a full on mega trance project, im guessing that would net SA quite a bit of dosh because its then not just a tutorial but its a tutorial made by experts in the field. Obviously im guessing chris and gleave are very busy as is Phil and sometimes circumstances just dont allow certain things. But think about how you would feel ICN if this site was run by D.ramirez, Carl Cox and Dubfire and evry week you got tutorials on styles that were NOT techno/minimal, youd feel pretty puzzled and pissed off right?
I havnt released trance record for nearly 10 years… ive spent the last few years making techno, house, breaks downbeat and writing songs.
I just dont feel trances has moved on as much as some other genres… i still like some of it but it dosnt buzz me up in the same way it used to.
There will be a trance tutorial once we get a few behind the scenes issues sorted out…
All good Buddy 
Regardless - Theres a right way & wrong way of going about stuff.
Honestly - After a while, you run the risk of people beginning to think that you could potentially be a knob.
From that POV - its better to continue with the Dimplomacy. Ruffles less feathers. Keeps up appearances. Less conflict.
Anyway - In the meantime Jan: Start a Production Tips Thread for your Guys & see what happens. Start giving something back by sharing your knowledge in one single place.
That’ll keep all of you busy until you get your Tut & you’ll all be doing something to help one another.
I totally agree with everything you said icn!
Jjdejong0 I totally feel what you’re feeling! When I joined s.a I swear I was the only techno head on the forum, nobody wanted a techno tut and it took a while to get one.
Basically you have to get a crew together a fight for what you want, but in the right way! Moaning and demanding just pisses people off.
I want to see a trance tut aswell and believe that there will be one soon, you trance guys need to get a thread going and post the tracks you like and discuss what you want to see in a tut. If you do this you won’t EVER actually need to ask for the tut!! It would eventually happen trust me!
Icn and slender have done a great job on the techno thread and we’ve all made friends and it has evolved into something else, not just a thread!
The thing that made making a techno tut a no brainer was all the tunes you posted… it totally inspired me and i could see there where a lot of cool tips to be had.
[quote]phil johnston (25/10/2010)[hr]The thing that made making a techno tut a no brainer was all the tunes you posted… it totally inspired me and i could see there where a lot of cool tips to be had.
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Out off interest Phil did you find that you learn’t alot when reserching and developing the tut
Cool!
We hav a few trance threads i even tried to start up a thread similair to Slenders but it didnt really take off. The one thread we did have with quite a few pages got shut down when Bryan posted something along the lines of guys stop asking its out when its out. Also i definately dont want to ruffle any feathers guess i was just a bit annoyed. But to diversify i think a main room house tutorial series like a HTSL Avicii would be great and id also love to see more of the harder styles explored, happy hardcore, hardstyle etc Also i think if a drum n bass tutorial is made that would also be awesome. Further an in depth tutorial on mixing down is an ESSENTIAL i feel and mabey a tutorial on vocals, how to record, how to process, where to find vocalists, good vocal mics etc etc Mabey i should of just posted this in the first place it would of been better but sometimes have to ruffle some feathers to get a point accross. Finally to Phil, even if you havnt made trance in ten years alot of people im guessing base you on your credentials now from what i know alot of people who saw your name and are into the scene and know Coast 2 Coast will have been really excited at the prospect of you or Chris Agnelli teaching them how to make the music their famous for which for you is trance. Its the reason i subscribed tbh because i am a big fan of Agnelli and Nelson and Home definately goes down as one of my favourite tracks of all time.
[quote]jjdejong0 (25/10/2010)[hr]We hav a few trance threads i even tried to start up a thread similair to Slenders but it didnt really take off. The one thread we did have with quite a few pages got shut down when Bryan posted something along the lines of guys stop asking its out when its out. .[/quote]
The reason why the threads probably got shut down was because of the way people ask for these things. we are all passionate about the music we love but we have to be careful that this doesn’t turn into aggression. personally I’ve never gotten the tutorial i asked for when I first joined but that doesn’t mean I’m going to come on here spamming every thread with my requests.
The best Thing to do is start a thread in the same way ICN and the other guys did, maybe do a little research and get others involved, this would give phil and others a much better idea of what you wanted.
guys the reason the thread was shut down is because there already multiples of them for you to post in - there is no point creating a thread every time it just gets messy and posts get lost
see either of these below
http://forums.sonicacademy.com/Topic26060-13-1.aspx
http://forums.sonicacademy.com/Topic35634-13-1.aspx
use them to continue your trance movement by all means!
this way when we get round to doing a course we can look in one place for what exactly everyone is looking for.
[quote]slender (25/10/2010)[hr][quote]phil johnston (25/10/2010)[hr]The thing that made making a techno tut a no brainer was all the tunes you posted… it totally inspired me and i could see there where a lot of cool tips to be had.
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Out off interest Phil did you find that you learn’t alot when reserching and developing the tut[/quote]
Yeah i always learn loads when researching stuff… Its weird im constantly fighting a battle between getting good tips in to the tuts vs all the tweaking that you would normally when making a track.
also it can be frustrating as you can paint yourself in to a corner pretty quick… for example… if i was making one of my own tracks i might change the kick, snare hats bass sound many times throughout a track to get them to gel… which is why i create all the basics first then kinda work back. It wouldnt really work if i got halfway through a tut and went “all them sounds at the start are rubbish im going to change them all” but thats what i do in real life sometimes.
[quote]phil johnston (25/10/2010)[hr][quote]slender (25/10/2010)[hr][quote]phil johnston (25/10/2010)[hr]The thing that made making a techno tut a no brainer was all the tunes you posted… it totally inspired me and i could see there where a lot of cool tips to be had.
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Out off interest Phil did you find that you learn’t alot when reserching and developing the tut[/quote]
Yeah i always learn loads when researching stuff… Its weird im constantly fighting a battle between getting good tips in to the tuts vs all the tweaking that you would normally when making a track.
also it can be frustrating as you can paint yourself in to a corner pretty quick… for example… if i was making one of my own tracks i might change the kick, snare hats bass sound many times throughout a track to get them to gel… which is why i create all the basics first then kinda work back. It wouldnt really work if i got halfway through a tut and went “all them sounds at the start are rubbish im going to change them all” but thats what i do in real life sometimes.[/quote]
MAN. this is the best thing to hear for me really. I have been CONSTANTLY doing this lately. I wasnt sure if I was alone in this. I lay down some drum beats try my best to tune/gel/mix them with FX. THEN I get to the meat & gravy and start doing the synths, sounds and melodies I have in my head. Almost everytime lately, I go back to my drums fix/change/improve things so that it works better with what I actually got laid down with the synths.
It actually goes the same for automation for me lately. Now I only automate “some” stuff like volume and a filter frequency on a few things… THEN when I have pretty much the whole track arranged out, I go back remove basically all my automation, THEN Mix everything in the mixer… go back and do all my automation again from the start for each sound to give it a better mix/evolution.
[quote]phil johnston (25/10/2010)
also it can be frustrating as you can paint yourself in to a corner pretty quick… for example… if i was making one of my own tracks i might change the kick, snare hats bass sound many times throughout a track to get them to gel… which is why i create all the basics first then kinda work back. It wouldnt really work if i got halfway through a tut and went “all them sounds at the start are rubbish im going to change them all” but thats what i do in real life sometimes.[/quote]
In a weird way I’d like this sort of thing left into a tutorial! To see the whole complete production process from a pro warts and all. The sanitized version might give people performance anxiety lol.
I’m not suggesting you actually do this as others might just want the good ness, but interesting to know!
It seems the trance movement is a bit unorgonized, instead of posting in the thread i actually MADE people would rather post individual threads specific to what they want. But i did actually make a thread for people to post in but like i said mabey the minimal crew is a bit more mature…
[quote]jjdejong0 (25/10/2010)[hr]It seems the trance movement is a bit unorgonized, instead of posting in the thread i actually MADE people would rather post individual threads specific to what they want. But i did actually make a thread for people to post in but like i said mabey the minimal crew is a bit more mature…[/quote]
mature or older… haha… just more organized i’d say!
I don’t think I need to say much on this one… 
I think if you started a production thread as well you may get more organised - I am sure if you chatted to Wayne (gofunk) he would be up for it as well as others - as ICN and others have said we tech heads have a nice little community going on in front and behind the scenes as we share tracks and tips which has made a pleasurable experince on this forum even better - and lets face it this forum is ALL about sharing our knowledge
If you see someone posting a trance htsl politly post a link to your original thread it will gradually catch on, i promise as it was only ICN and myself who came up with the idea
Anyway I will support you and any other HTSL thread if it is done in an realistic and non moaning way - best of luck
[quote]phil johnston (25/10/2010)[hr][quote]hastafuego (25/10/2010)[hr][quote]jon_fisher (24/10/2010)[hr][quote]hastafuego (24/10/2010)[hr]I think once users start thinking in frequency separation they will be producing better sounding tunes.[/quote]
Personally i think once you even start to think like that your music will suck big hairy balls. Muisc is uspposed to be about passion and feelings. approaching everything like a scientist will kill what ever creativity you have.
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I wasnt suggesting people approach music as a scientist, but surely understandig the science and theory behind any artform gives a creative person more tools to work with.[/quote]
Spectral mixiing is only one way to mix… My personal prefrence is to get the source sounds right and eq as little as posible and just balance the sounds… I never really think about frequecies just about if stuff sound good together.[/quote]
It seems rather bizarre that on a website which has its main function of selling technical training that people should find it so strange that I ask that the tutors explain why they chose to pitch a kick drum at say 80 Hz and not at 120 Hz. I have plenty of passion and inspiration; I don’t need anyone to teach me that. Music for most people is intuitive but behind intuition one needs technical knowledge that why I use Sonic Academy.