[quote]Roben (26/04/2012)[hr][quote]thegeek (24/04/2012)[hr]
Guetta, SHM, Avicii – they are all entry points into a whole new realm of music (house) for many Americans that would not otherwise get to experience it or appreciate it. Many people, once exposed to house, even of the more “mainstream” variety, can’t get enough, and that results in exploration into more underground territory.[/quote]
Hit the nail on the head with this quote.[/quote]
i don’t agree, this “mainstream house” is not helping the underground scene at all, mainstream followers will only want more on the same style, promoters and club owners only want you to play this music they hear on the radio, and many producers are shifting to cheesy music just to get a piece of the cake, which only helps the mainstream cheesy scene, not the authentic house music.
some people will explore into the underground after hearing commercial music? maybe… how many? and how many will want the same sh%t?
- ok kucho , but at the end of the day , even being a few only you will get more fans
(yes sometimes i talk to myself)
maybe, but would this fans be more than if the scene were not invaded by commercial dance artists? … actually… it does not matter, what matters is if there is still room for you in the music business to keep your job… which is being more difficult every day
[quote]Dr. Kucho! (01/05/2012)[hr][quote]Roben (26/04/2012)[hr][quote]thegeek (24/04/2012)[hr]
Guetta, SHM, Avicii – they are all entry points into a whole new realm of music (house) for many Americans that would not otherwise get to experience it or appreciate it. Many people, once exposed to house, even of the more “mainstream” variety, can’t get enough, and that results in exploration into more underground territory.[/quote]
Hit the nail on the head with this quote.[/quote]
i don’t agree, this “mainstream house” is not helping the underground scene at all, mainstream followers will only want more on the same style, promoters and club owners only want you to play this music they hear on the radio, and many producers are shifting to cheesy music just to get a piece of the cake, which only helps the mainstream cheesy scene, not the authentic house music.
some people will explore into the underground after hearing commercial music? maybe… how many? and how many will want the same sh%t?
[/quote]
Kucho!!
like this guy!!:w00t:
well said!!
[quote]Dr. Kucho! (01/05/2012)[hr][quote]Roben (26/04/2012)[hr][quote]thegeek (24/04/2012)[hr]
Guetta, SHM, Avicii – they are all entry points into a whole new realm of music (house) for many Americans that would not otherwise get to experience it or appreciate it. Many people, once exposed to house, even of the more “mainstream” variety, can’t get enough, and that results in exploration into more underground territory.[/quote]
Hit the nail on the head with this quote.[/quote]
i don’t agree, this “mainstream house” is not helping the underground scene at all, mainstream followers will only want more on the same style, promoters and club owners only want you to play this music they hear on the radio, and many producers are shifting to cheesy music just to get a piece of the cake, which only helps the mainstream cheesy scene, not the authentic house music.
ssome people will explore into the underground after hearing commercial music? maybe… how many? and how many will want the same sh%t?
- ok kucho , but at the end of the day , even being a few only you will get more fans
(yes sometimes i talk to myself)
maybe, but would this fans be more than if the scene were not invaded by commercial dance artists? … actually… it does not matter, what matters is if there is still room for you in the music business to keep your job… which is being more difficult every day[/quote]
sorry for the off-topic… Are Dr Kucho tech tips videos coming in SonicAcademy? Would love it!
[quote]na0s (01/05/2012)[hr]
sorry for the off-topic… Are Dr Kucho tech tips videos coming in SonicAcademy? Would love it![/quote]
no , sorry i just landed hear after googling “ghost producers” and decided to add my point of view cause i found interesting discussions
Very cool of you. And welcome to the board. Hopefully you’ll be participating the numerous discussions in future as well 
Besides that, I got infected with the Kucho virus from Belmondo Rulez 2.0. Such a great tune. Still is. Love the drama!
We seem to get a few known names on occasion post their 2 cents on the forum every now and then, it’s nice that we have that kind of community where artists feel comfortable enough to add their thoughts/opinions and advice without being trolled.
[quote]Roben (02/05/2012)[hr]We seem to get a few known names on occasion post their 2 cents on the forum every now and then, it’s nice that we have that kind of community where artists feel comfortable enough to add their thoughts/opinions and advice without being trolled.
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what do you mean being trolled? being controlled? who would control them?
[quote]daniaan (02/05/2012)[hr]Very cool of you. And welcome to the board. Hopefully you’ll be participating the numerous discussions in future as well
Besides that, I got infected with the Kucho virus from Belmondo Rulez 2.0. Such a great tune. Still is. Love the drama![/quote]
dramatic music is the best 
Sorry no that’s not what I meant Kucho, trolled as it ‘troll’. Meaning you don’t get blasted by trolls on this forum.
[quote]Roben (02/05/2012)[hr]Sorry no that’s not what I meant Kucho, trolled as it ‘troll’. Meaning you don’t get blasted by trolls on this forum.[/quote]
Lol ok , mind that my english is not the best, plus if you use weird expressions i will probably get lost
Nada mas que amor en este foro
[quote]Dr. Kucho! (01/05/2012)[hr][quote]Roben (26/04/2012)[hr][quote]thegeek (24/04/2012)[hr]
Guetta, SHM, Avicii – they are all entry points into a whole new realm of music (house) for many Americans that would not otherwise get to experience it or appreciate it. Many people, once exposed to house, even of the more “mainstream” variety, can’t get enough, and that results in exploration into more underground territory.[/quote]
Hit the nail on the head with this quote.[/quote]
i don’t agree, this “mainstream house” is not helping the underground scene at all, mainstream followers will only want more on the same style, promoters and club owners only want you to play this music they hear on the radio, and many producers are shifting to cheesy music just to get a piece of the cake, which only helps the mainstream cheesy scene, not the authentic house music.
some people will explore into the underground after hearing commercial music? maybe… how many? and how many will want the same sh%t?
- ok kucho , but at the end of the day , even being a few only you will get more fans
(yes sometimes i talk to myself)
maybe, but would this fans be more than if the scene were not invaded by commercial dance artists? … actually… it does not matter, what matters is if there is still room for you in the music business to keep your job… which is being more difficult every day[/quote]
I understand what you mean – but “underground” is ALWAYS a relative term. EDM is still pretty underground as a general rule in the U.S. So what you may perceive as “mainstream” house is just not that widely appreciated or listened to here in the U.S.
In the end, I think what it really comes down to is that there are always changing trends in terms of what is popular. Usually, a sound that is “mainstream” is just an underground trend that’s gotten popular. (Take “brostep” for example – Skrillex didn’t set out to make a new genre. He just made it for himself and gave it away. It just HAPPENED to resonate with a lot of people and became wildly popular).
Anyway, if you personally don’t produce music that fits with whatever trend is currently popular, and that trend is eating up a “piece of your pie” so to speak, then it might piss you off that said “mainstream” producers are “damaging” house (or dubstep or garage or DnB or whatever you make).
But really it may just be another underground sound that’s become more popular and thus “mainstream.” After all, Rock n’ Roll was once underground. So was ALL electronic music. Basically every form of music we hear today was once an upstart that offended people’s ears and pissed off whatever artists were currently making music, ESPECIALLY when said upstart genre / sound became more popular than the established genres, and the artists in those genres, and took money out of their pockets.
Music, like any other business, is highly competitive. Some products outperform others. Just the way it is. It hurts when you put so much love and effort into something. But the truth sometimes is rough.
In the end, I think all any of us can do (since it’s nigh IMPOSSIBLE to know what will become popular) is to try and make music for OURSELVES, music that we love, and hope people love it. In the end, if they don’t, at least you know you were true to yourself. 
Brostep?
Did you just make that up? That sounds almost as ridiculous as Clowncore.
I think it’s only a “genre” here in the U.S. It’s kind of a joke genre name for dubstep with really aggressive midrange-y basslines because all the “bros” (As in, ‘sup brah?’) are into it really heavily.
See:
Urban Dictionary: Brostep
And:
Dubstep - Wikipedia
[quote]thegeek (03/05/2012)[hr][quote]Dr. Kucho! (01/05/2012)[hr][quote]Roben (26/04/2012)[hr][quote]thegeek (24/04/2012)[hr]
Guetta, SHM, Avicii – they are all entry points into a whole new realm of music (house) for many Americans that would not otherwise get to experience it or appreciate it. Many people, once exposed to house, even of the more “mainstream” variety, can’t get enough, and that results in exploration into more underground territory.[/quote]
Hit the nail on the head with this quote.[/quote]
i don’t agree, this “mainstream house” is not helping the underground scene at all, mainstream followers will only want more on the same style, promoters and club owners only want you to play this music they hear on the radio, and many producers are shifting to cheesy music just to get a piece of the cake, which only helps the mainstream cheesy scene, not the authentic house music.
some people will explore into the underground after hearing commercial music? maybe… how many? and how many will want the same sh%t?
- ok kucho , but at the end of the day , even being a few only you will get more fans
(yes sometimes i talk to myself)
maybe, but would this fans be more than if the scene were not invaded by commercial dance artists? … actually… it does not matter, what matters is if there is still room for you in the music business to keep your job… which is being more difficult every day[/quote]
I understand what you mean – but “underground” is ALWAYS a relative term. EDM is still pretty underground as a general rule in the U.S. So what you may perceive as “mainstream” house is just not that widely appreciated or listened to here in the U.S.
In the end, I think what it really comes down to is that there are always changing trends in terms of what is popular. Usually, a sound that is “mainstream” is just an underground trend that’s gotten popular. (Take “brostep” for example – Skrillex didn’t set out to make a new genre. He just made it for himself and gave it away. It just HAPPENED to resonate with a lot of people and became wildly popular).
Anyway, if you personally don’t produce music that fits with whatever trend is currently popular, and that trend is eating up a “piece of your pie” so to speak, then it might piss you off that said “mainstream” producers are “damaging” house (or dubstep or garage or DnB or whatever you make).
But really it may just be another underground sound that’s become more popular and thus “mainstream.” After all, Rock n’ Roll was once underground. So was ALL electronic music. Basically every form of music we hear today was once an upstart that offended people’s ears and pissed off whatever artists were currently making music, ESPECIALLY when said upstart genre / sound became more popular than the established genres, and the artists in those genres, and took money out of their pockets.
Music, like any other business, is highly competitive. Some products outperform others. Just the way it is. It hurts when you put so much love and effort into something. But the truth sometimes is rough.
In the end, I think all any of us can do (since it’s nigh IMPOSSIBLE to know what will become popular) is to try and make music for OURSELVES, music that we love, and hope people love it. In the end, if they don’t, at least you know you were true to yourself. :)[/quote]
pissed or not pissed , in my opinion, they are still not helping to the real house music scene as i described, i insist: increased amount of fans that you might have cause some of the new commercial house listeners explore is not comparable to the destroying shift to commercial music of the clubs, nor the shift many producers are doing to be able to get profit which feedback the problem
and that is the profit part that might piss my pocket and many others but then there is other part: once that a product get enough popular, it enters into the competitive marketing jungle which means only money counts … quality, originality and authenticity die
i also think the previous cases such as the rock and roll you said are different because of the globalization and the uncontrolled mp3 era we have today, it changes everything
[quote]Dr. Kucho! (03/05/2012)
pissed or not pissed , in my opinion, they are still not helping to the real house music scene as i described, i insist: increased amount of fans that you might have cause some of the new commercial house listeners explore is not comparable to the destroying shift to commercial music of the clubs, nor the shift many producers are doing to be able to get profit which feedback the problem
and that is the profit part that might piss my pocket and many others but then there is other part: once that a product get enough popular, it enters into the competitive marketing jungle which means only money counts … quality, originality and authenticity die
i also think the previous cases such as the rock and roll you said are different because of the globalization and the uncontrolled mp3 era we have today, it changes everything[/quote]
But that’s my whole point: the “real house music scene” is really just a collection of artists producing music in a certain style and DJs purveying that sound in a range of clubs. There are entrenched interests which want to keep things they same because:
- It’s what they like aesthetically
- It’s making them money
At SOME point before house came along, I’m sure plenty of people felt the same way about disco, and they got really pissed because all this new “house music” came along and ruined the market for their music.
From where I sit, it really doesn’t matter whether the trend is commercial or not; only that it is DIFFERENT.
I understand what you mean – that when a certain sound becomes popular and is thus copied and repeated by commercial interests, the quality often goes down the drain because the sound is not driven by the artists, but by record label execs who see a trend, don’t understand it, but want to profit from it nonetheless. So, you get “soul less” music.
By the time that happens, though, the genre has played out its popularity with the “underground” anyway, because either the underground has grown up and moved on or they are looking towards the next new musical trend. Most people who perceive themselves as cool are only interested in something so long as very few people know about it.
But that is only a generalization, not a rule; sometimes GREAT music becomes really, really popular BECAUSE it’s great, and then is vilified for no reason other than it’s popular.
My opinion is that if the sound you’re pushing is falling out of favor to another sound, it’s time to start reinventing yourself. That doesn’t mean going with what’s popular or not maintaining artistic integrity. It just means finding a new way to express yourself and stay relevant. Though, obviously, harder said than done.
[quote]thegeek (03/05/2012)[hr][quote]Dr. Kucho! (03/05/2012)
pissed or not pissed , in my opinion, they are still not helping to the real house music scene as i described, i insist: increased amount of fans that you might have cause some of the new commercial house listeners explore is not comparable to the destroying shift to commercial music of the clubs, nor the shift many producers are doing to be able to get profit which feedback the problem
and that is the profit part that might piss my pocket and many others but then there is other part: once that a product get enough popular, it enters into the competitive marketing jungle which means only money counts … quality, originality and authenticity die
i also think the previous cases such as the rock and roll you said are different because of the globalization and the uncontrolled mp3 era we have today, it changes everything[/quote]
But that’s my whole point: the “real house music scene” is really just a collection of artists producing music in a certain style and DJs purveying that sound in a range of clubs. There are entrenched interests which want to keep things they same because:
- It’s what they like aesthetically
- It’s making them money
At SOME point before house came along, I’m sure plenty of people felt the same way about disco, and they got really pissed because all this new “house music” came along and ruined the market for their music.
From where I sit, it really doesn’t matter whether the trend is commercial or not; only that it is DIFFERENT.
I understand what you mean – that when a certain sound becomes popular and is thus copied and repeated by commercial interests, the quality often goes down the drain because the sound is not driven by the artists, but by record label execs who see a trend, don’t understand it, but want to profit from it nonetheless. So, you get “soul less” music.
By the time that happens, though, the genre has played out its popularity with the “underground” anyway, because either the underground has grown up and moved on or they are looking towards the next new musical trend. Most people who perceive themselves as cool are only interested in something so long as very few people know about it.
But that is only a generalization, not a rule; sometimes GREAT music becomes really, really popular BECAUSE it’s great, and then is vilified for no reason other than it’s popular.
My opinion is that if the sound you’re pushing is falling out of favor to another sound, it’s time to start reinventing yourself. That doesn’t mean going with what’s popular or not maintaining artistic integrity. It just means finding a new way to express yourself and stay relevant. Though, obviously, harder said than done. :)[/quote]
i don’t understand how or why did we get here?, i just said they are not helping
music changes and you have to change with it in order to survive? sure, i am doing that since the very beginning (just check my first record if you have courage enough LOL)
[quote]Dr. Kucho! (03/05/2012)[hr][quote]thegeek (03/05/2012)[hr][quote]Dr. Kucho! (03/05/2012)
pissed or not pissed , in my opinion, they are still not helping to the real house music scene as i described, i insist: increased amount of fans that you might have cause some of the new commercial house listeners explore is not comparable to the destroying shift to commercial music of the clubs, nor the shift many producers are doing to be able to get profit which feedback the problem
and that is the profit part that might piss my pocket and many others but then there is other part: once that a product get enough popular, it enters into the competitive marketing jungle which means only money counts … quality, originality and authenticity die
i also think the previous cases such as the rock and roll you said are different because of the globalization and the uncontrolled mp3 era we have today, it changes everything[/quote]
But that’s my whole point: the “real house music scene” is really just a collection of artists producing music in a certain style and DJs purveying that sound in a range of clubs. There are entrenched interests which want to keep things they same because:
- It’s what they like aesthetically
- It’s making them money
At SOME point before house came along, I’m sure plenty of people felt the same way about disco, and they got really pissed because all this new “house music” came along and ruined the market for their music.
From where I sit, it really doesn’t matter whether the trend is commercial or not; only that it is DIFFERENT.
I understand what you mean – that when a certain sound becomes popular and is thus copied and repeated by commercial interests, the quality often goes down the drain because the sound is not driven by the artists, but by record label execs who see a trend, don’t understand it, but want to profit from it nonetheless. So, you get “soul less” music.
By the time that happens, though, the genre has played out its popularity with the “underground” anyway, because either the underground has grown up and moved on or they are looking towards the next new musical trend. Most people who perceive themselves as cool are only interested in something so long as very few people know about it.
But that is only a generalization, not a rule; sometimes GREAT music becomes really, really popular BECAUSE it’s great, and then is vilified for no reason other than it’s popular.
My opinion is that if the sound you’re pushing is falling out of favor to another sound, it’s time to start reinventing yourself. That doesn’t mean going with what’s popular or not maintaining artistic integrity. It just means finding a new way to express yourself and stay relevant. Though, obviously, harder said than done. :)[/quote]
i don’t understand how or why did we get here?, i just said they are not helping
music changes and you have to change with it in order to survive? sure, i am doing that since the very beginning (just check my first record if you have courage enough LOL)
[/quote]
Dr Kucho!
ye ha
Belmondo Rulez 2.0
[quote]bryan spence (03/05/2012)[hr]
Dr Kucho!
ye ha
Belmondo Rulez 2.0[/quote]
second time someone says that LOL ,did you know that there is a 4.0 one?
[quote]bryan spence (03/05/2012)[hr][quote]
Dr Kucho!
ye ha
Belmondo Rulez 2.0[/quote]
2nd that.
+1 on a HTSL video… by Kucho!
I'd settle for Tech Tip series
(well if you don't ask you don't get right? :D )