Well there has been a small increase in alchol domestic abuse since the smoking ban - but no real hard evidense that the ban is the case - so that couls be people drinking at home
Lol tbh its hard to try and argue because everyone is so rhiled up and jumping on this healthy living I only eat free range chicken lifestyle.
Also theant are you for real??? Its like general knowledge now that since the smoking ban there are **** loads of pubs closing each week, I read somewhere it was like 40 a week at one point. So choosing to ignore that is just retarded.
Also the livelyhoods and businesses of these people doesnt bother people, I mean you will all happily donate millions of pounds for corrupt african governments on red nose day and feel good about yourself but at the same time cheer and support laws that put your fellow COUNTRYMEN out of work and into poverty. How hypocritical is that??
[quote]jjdejong0 (04/08/2011)[hr]Also theant are you for real??? Its like general knowledge now that since the smoking ban there are **** loads of pubs closing each week, I read somewhere it was like 40 a week at one point. So choosing to ignore that is just retarded.
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Yes I am for real. The decline of the British pub started long before the smoking ban and it has its roots in cheap booze from supermarkets.
Are you for real? People don’t go to the pub because they have to smoke outside? If you asked someone if they were coming to the pub and they said “no I want to stay home and smoke a cigarette” that would seem normal to you.
Jan become a British MP they have a smoking bar there 
[quote]jjdejong0 (04/08/2011)[hr]Also theant are you for real??? Its like general knowledge now that since the smoking ban there are **** loads of pubs closing each week, I read somewhere it was like 40 a week at one point. So choosing to ignore that is just retarded.
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Jan you can’t quote something like that without data to back it up. Even then statistics are not truth. What would have to be studied is the increase in the closure rate of pubs pre and post smoking ban but then also factor in broader economic factors such as the availability of cheaper alcohol from other sources and the like.
Plus, the number of pubs open or out of business is not actually the best indicator of the impact of the ban. It could be that the remaining pubs are actually doing better financially and in quantity of customers post ban - in that they’re taking the custom of those pubs that have closed. Or indeed that new custom has arisen from people/families/groups who would not have gone into a smoke-filled pub but would now go and spend their money in an attractive pub that serves good quality food.
Perhaps the additional pubs that closed post ban were the crappy dingy ones and the more attractive ones have thrived.
Pure numbers of closures is only a very small part of the picture.
I think if you look at the average amount of visits and spendidture to profit of a non smoker to a pub compared to that of a smoker then every landlord will take the smokers and leave the non smoking sunshine lollipop family out in the cold.
Let me put two scenarios to you, sitting in a house with all my friends being able to smoke and drink cheap booze which we got from the supermarket, or going to a pub with all my friends, spending more on drinks and having to go outside in the cold to smoke…
I dont just believe that the smoking ban is the only reason that pubs are closing down but youd be a moron to believe its helping…
I’m dreunk - dfk all ayiz… fknn cnutssz!¬!
goin now to have a fag :hehe:
ohhh Jan vs World. got to love it 
[quote]alinenunez (05/08/2011)[hr]ohhh Jan vs World. got to love it :D[/quote]
It will all go up in smoke if you ask me
Exactly, the smoking ban was put in to protect people that work in these places. Now like i said its ridiculous to think that because someone is drunk there gonna assault you, Slender you say youve never had any altercations and thats good but the danger is still there.
Also jonsloan as for taxes, yer you dont wanna pay for my lung operation but why should i pay for your liver transplant?
Im trying to balance everything out and make it fair, you say why should you have to sit in a resteraunt and breathe in my smoke, but why should i have to stand outside and get pnumonia?
Also i wasnt aware little kids visit nightclubs? All im saying is that over the last 5 years everyone has jumped on this healthy living bandwagon and there flying their green flags, but lets take a look thirty years ago, surely we should all be dead right? As people smoked, didnt eat all too well etc etc etc
Everyone is making a thunderstorm out of a small drizzle, now i cant sit here and compare facts of what is potentially more dangerous for you but i will say that if your scared of getting cancer because someone next to you is smoking a cig but at the same time you will drink regularly then your out of your mind and dont have a leg to stand on.
Just like you wont force beer down my throat im not gonna sit there and make u smoke a fag, the only difference is you can freely drink and get plastered and get yourself into IMMEDIATE dangerous situations and i have to stand outside in the snow.
Now please tell me how this is fair. I mean were all equal, we all live in the same world and both cost our governments and us millions each year but because its soooooo cool to be a healthy living nut these days and eat free range chicken…
The thing is jan why get so wound up by something that is really insignificant - While I am typing I am watching a mother from East Africa who has just buried her 4 children who all died from starvation in 24 hours
Tune your anger too something a little more important
So this is all about standing out in the cold Jan? If so, that’s really pathetic.
And, no I don’t expect you to pay for a liver transplant I am not likely to need as I don’t drink excessively fella. Besides I have insurance.
Read what Slender said and think for a minute, eh? Think how lucky you are to have been born in an affluent European country where sustenance is readily available. A stable country where people don’t come and kick in your doors and shoot you because of the religion you believe in or the language you speak or just because they can.
[quote]jonsloan (05/08/2011)[hr]Think how lucky you are to have been born in an affluent European country where sustenance is readily available. A stable country where people don’t come and kick in your doors and shoot you because of the religion you believe in or the language you speak or just because they can.
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Well not yet but I am working on it 
err im not really angry tho mate? I thought we were having an intelectuall debate…
Jan is right Guys… You are a bunch of fkn animals
seriously i dont make up the rules but yes people dont wanna stand outside in the cold…
[quote]jjdejong0 (05/08/2011)[hr]err im not really angry tho mate? I thought we were having an intelectuall debate…[/quote]
I didn’t think you were getting angry - this has been pretty mellow so far. I still love you
“i have to stand outside in the snow.”
Well I have a solution - don’t smoke. Then you can stay indoors and drink with everyone else. The staff stay safe; you don’t get cold. If you absolutely have to smoke then you understand that the down side is that you’re destined to stand in slush.
I do see your point in that it’s inconvenient, but if you’re going to say you’re happy to force your habit onto someone for your own comfort then you should be empathetic to the majority of the pub patronage when they say “actually, f*ck that, we’re forcing OUR comfort onto you and making you go outside after years of being forced to breathe in your smoke”.
There’s a pub in Nottingham, UK, that claims to be the oldest in Europe, from 1129AD. That’s 900 odd years of second hand smoke. If it helps, I’ll vote for you to be able to smoke in pubs in another 900 years. It’s only fair that way
Also, might I add, this has been my favorite thread on SA so far - everyone is chilled out when they could be getting their t*ts in a twist, there’s well thought out discussion and everyone is listening to everyone’s opinion, no matter how wrong they think it is!
Bravo SA, we’ve come a long way!
Well here in the US you really can’t smoke anywhere now. Even if you go outside to smoke at most public buildings you have to walk like 50 feet away from it.
I don’t smoke, but I don’t have a problem with someone that does as long as it isn’t being blown in my face or anything.
The way things are going, I guess smoking will be banned all together soon and then the goverments can start on something else to take away from us “for our own good”. Probably alcohol… :w00t: