[quote]alinenunez (28/05/2010)[hr]thanks howie !! i just watched your video .is pretty helpful the way you can set up the to play on keys on the track . one of the issues i run alot is when i use for example bass lines in Minor Keys and Lead lines in the major keys .can the root notes be a different keys?
for example : can i make it fit a bass line in A minor and a lead line with C major?
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Absolutely NOT! All the parts should be in the same key to create cohesion.
[quote]squeak2199 (28/05/2010)[hr]p.s WHERE IS THE NORTHERN IRELAND VOICE?:P[/quote]
Maybe next time I’ll do it in a Scottish voice. So basically, you wont be able to understand a word I say…
[quote]howiegroove (28/05/2010)[hr][quote]alinenunez (28/05/2010)[hr]thanks howie !! i just watched your video .is pretty helpful the way you can set up the to play on keys on the track . one of the issues i run alot is when i use for example bass lines in Minor Keys and Lead lines in the major keys .can the root notes be a different keys?
for example : can i make it fit a bass line in A minor and a lead line with C major?
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Absolutely NOT! All the parts should be in the same key to create cohesion.[/quote]
Actually in the above example it could work due to the fact that A minor is the relative key of C Major and share exactly the same notes. You can’t get more cohesive than that especially if you are playing the natural minor scale and not the harmonic or melodic.
Other key signitures that aren’t relative to one another will more than likely clash.
[quote]krome (28/05/2010)Absolutely NOT! All the parts should be in the same key to create cohesion.[/quote]
Actually in the above example it could work due to the fact that A minor is the relative key of C Major and share exactly the same notes. You can’t get more cohesive than that especially if you are playing the natural minor scale and not the harmonic or melodic.
Other key signitures that aren’t relative to one another will more than likely clash.
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But Krome, it could be argued that you are the best on music theory on this site. You have my vote. However, it would be discouraged to do something like that if you are just starting out with music theory. I can hold my own (although I’m not great at it), but I wouldn’t even try it.
[quote]howiegroove (28/05/2010)[hr]
But Krome, it could be argued that you are the best on music theory on this site. You have my vote. However, it would be discouraged to do something like that if you are just starting out with music theory. I can hold my own (although I’m not great at it), but I wouldn’t even try it.[/quote]
I doubt I am anyway near the best as far as theory goes Howie,
All I know is what I’ve picked up on the net and maybe what I learnt from some guitar lessons I had many years ago.
I take your point though, its probably best not to go into a lot of detail about relative keys during the early phase of the learning process.
I only mentioned it because its useful for some to be aware of their global options when composing.
Havent had a chance to watch this yet - but will do tonight.
Its been really hectic around here - too hectic to skulk down to my Music Room anyway without being given out to! LOL
[quote]icn (28/05/2010)[hr]Havent had a chance to watch this yet - but will do tonight.
Its been really hectic around here - too hectic to skulk down to my Music Room anyway without being given out to! LOL[/quote]
Its all good. I think I am gonna get the Presonus Studio Live tomorrow. Im pretty excited (and worried). Its pretty pricey…
[quote]howiegroove (28/05/2010)[hr][quote]icn (28/05/2010)[hr]Havent had a chance to watch this yet - but will do tonight.
Its been really hectic around here - too hectic to skulk down to my Music Room anyway without being given out to! LOL[/quote]
Its all good. I think I am gonna get the Presonus Studio Live tomorrow. Im pretty excited (and worried). Its pretty pricey…[/quote]
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Woah! Looks like a Monster Mate! Make sure you tell your Folks where you are… You could be gone for a while!
See you on a milk carton soon! LOL :D
[quote]krome (28/05/2010)[hr][quote]howiegroove (28/05/2010)[hr]
But Krome, it could be argued that you are the best on music theory on this site. You have my vote. However, it would be discouraged to do something like that if you are just starting out with music theory. I can hold my own (although I’m not great at it), but I wouldn’t even try it.[/quote]
I doubt I am anyway near the best as far as theory goes Howie,
All I know is what I’ve picked up on the net and maybe what I learnt from some guitar lessons I had many years ago.
I take your point though, its probably best not to go into a lot of detail about relative keys during the early phase of the learning process.
I only mentioned it because its useful for some to be aware of their global options when composing.[/quote]
thanks for the Reply guys it helped me to clear some issues. i do think it gets complicated to mix relative keys .so i will take Howies advice . maybe we can have like more on depth tutorial on this howie? maybe another video :P… .
thanks for the advice do 
Would I be able to get a link? It sounds very interesting. I am very active in reading the boards, but tend to not post as much 
I don’t think i am at 50 posts, so if you would prefer not to send it… well you have the power to do so 
EDIT: Email is taylorgittin@gmail.com
yo, defo dude peter_o_keeffe@hotmail.com, will give you some good/honest feedback as soon as possible:D
[quote]alinenunez (28/05/2010)[hr]
thanks for the Reply guys it helped me to clear some issues. i do think it gets complicated to mix relative keys .so i will take Howies advice . maybe we can have like more on depth tutorial on this howie? maybe another video :P… .
thanks for the advice do :)[/quote]
alinenunez it sounds more complicated than it actually is because some of the terms are new to you but as you continue the fog should clear.
as long as you are aware that when you select a key signiture scale/mode in your example Am natural for your tonic try to emphasise it. keep coming back to it if you are writing a progression so it sticks in the listeners mind. do that and you do whats known as estblashing tonality.
if your bass line is a natural minor (aeolian) one keep that in mind when writing your lead.
if you lead line keeps coming back to the root of your scale it reinforces the tonality as well.
if it doesn’t you are in danger of drifting out of your original key.
in your example the worse case scenerio is your listeners may start to perceive your moody Am progression as a happy C major one. obviously not good unless that is your intent.
just because a particular key has a relative that shares the same notes doesn’t mean you are working in 2 different signitures. you could think on those lines but it helps to focus on the key you want to establish. it just looks like when you are playing your lead line that its a C major line because of the relative key relationships and up until now it probably didn’t occur to you that your lead was actually playing A minor natural all along.
Another thing I would like to add is 99% of tracks on beatport do not change key in a song.
[quote]squeak2199 (29/05/2010)[hr]Another thing I would like to add is 99% of tracks on beatport do not change key in a song.[/quote]
hahaha i’m glad someone finally noticed that majority of the time beatport top 10 is monotonus drivel.
Hey guys, I want people to be involved in the community. You can get it once you get your post count up to 50. Once you do, drop me your email again in a new post. This forum is about like minded individuals sharing ideas, helping one another out, and so on. Reading is not giving back. Please give back to the community.
[quote]krome (29/05/2010)[hr][quote]alinenunez (28/05/2010)[hr]
thanks for the Reply guys it helped me to clear some issues. i do think it gets complicated to mix relative keys .so i will take Howies advice . maybe we can have like more on depth tutorial on this howie? maybe another video :P… .
thanks for the advice do :)[/quote]
alinenunez it sounds more complicated than it actually is because some of the terms are new to you but as you continue the fog should clear.
as long as you are aware that when you select a key signiture scale/mode in your example Am natural for your tonic try to emphasise it. keep coming back to it if you are writing a progression so it sticks in the listeners mind. do that and you do whats known as estblashing tonality.
if your bass line is a natural minor (aeolian) one keep that in mind when writing your lead.
if you lead line keeps coming back to the root of your scale it reinforces the tonality as well.
if it doesn’t you are in danger of drifting out of your original key.
in your example the worse case scenerio is your listeners may start to perceive your moody Am progression as a happy C major one. obviously not good unless that is your intent.
just because a particular key has a relative that shares the same notes doesn’t mean you are working in 2 different signitures. you could think on those lines but it helps to focus on the key you want to establish. it just looks like when you are playing your lead line that its a C major line because of the relative key relationships and up until now it probably didn’t occur to you that your lead was actually playing A minor natural all along.:D[/quote]
Mad Respect to you Krome. your reply was on point . yeahh you figured it out my problem .
thanks for the advice
Is it ok if I +1 a bunch of posts so I can see um? =)