What sort of techno would you like to see from S.A?
If you choose other please say in a reply.
I don’t know, i just want the kinda techno i hear at Space in Ibiza. The kinda stuff Carl Craig and Carl Cox plays.
Or even a bit of Sven Vath would be good.
Funky or tribal would be the best choices! Trust me!
Why? Because those styles are still similar to what’s techno used to be…
Acid has it’s own style, and It’s not similar to techno (different rythmic styles, and the lead is mostly a tb-303 lead) … Hard Techno has not the same rythmic style as in techno, the bpm is a hell too high, and the melodic part is weak…
“Dark” (birmingham) or birmingham techno is massive, I would be really happy to see a tut about it, but it’s not really the most popular techno style!
To Roben > Carl Cox plays a really commercial side of techno now (don’t forget he’s David Guetta’s friend 
beurk!), Sven Vath plays tech-house and not techno anymore (we already saw a lot of tech-house tutorials ^^) and Carl Craig plays tech-house / minimal tech / or detroit techno (deeper and slower than usual techno)
Just my two cents, of course (would be happy with any tutorial, as it’s always helpful, but if we wanna get a real techno tutorial : tribal, funky or banging/driving techno would be the best!)
[quote]djfreak303 (1/13/2010)[hr]
To Roben > Carl Cox plays a really commercial side of techno now (don’t forget he’s David Guetta’s friend beurk!), Sven Vath plays tech-house and not techno anymore (we already saw a lot of tech-house tutorials ^^) and Carl Craig plays tech-house / minimal tech / or detroit techno (deeper and slower than usual techno)
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Well, you do sound like you know more about techno than i do, in fact that wouldnt be a hard feat to acheive as im mainly a house man but i do love listening to techno, even though i dont really know the differences in the sub genres.
However, i wouldnt say Cocoon (sven vaths night at Amnesia, Ibiza) was tech house at all! It’s pure filth man?? Not sure i can find anything on youtube, hold on…
(OMG this makes me moist!! )
Anyways as for Carl Craig, it was either him or Jeff Mills (both were playing that night) who dropped this tune (very distorted) in '08 when i seen them (excuse me and jon, we’re a bit over excited over the sick tunes lol)
TBH i just love it, as long as it’s not that ‘techno’ thats about 140pm then i’m happy.
Here is me and my friend at Zoo Project, ibiza in Aug 09. Not sure if you’ll be able to see as it’s on my facebook account, love this sound of techno too.
[url=http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=121397342969]http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=121397342969[/url]
I know it’s a bit old now but what kinda techno is this?
It makes does things to me that tunes really shouldn’t. My vote is for something like this…
Also another oldie, but good un!!
Guys, im seriously being brought back with these, LOVE THEM!!!
To be honest i find this poll a bit confusing and not very accurate/relevant as few people these days talks of stuff in terms like ‘acid techno’(as a coherent style anyway)I think at the very least if we’re going to throw around these slightly irrelevant on their own sub genres then their has to be artists named with them so people can understand what you mean as my definition of deep techno may not be the same as the next person.
I doubt this could happen but i think it would be great if we could get a more general techno overview covering bits of various styles to some extent but i know the way the htsl is structured around building one track then that would probably make that idea impossible.
So anyway as to particular styles when/if we ever get this htsl,then i’d suggest we stick to something fairly modern as i assume we all plan to release records in the upcoming decade and create something that could be played out these days.Although it depends on who it is as a guy like rob hood i think is pretty much as relevant as ever to techo but a lot of his say mid 90s peers can sound dated comparatively especially on the engineering side.
Also I do personally enjoy a lot of the harder more industrial sounds of surgeon, regis and more recently berlins ancient methods but i’m not sure if theirs a wide enough appeal to do that personal bias aside.
[quote]chris831 (1/13/2010)[hr]To be honest i find this poll a bit confusing and not very accurate/relevant as few people these days talks of stuff in terms like ‘acid techno’(as a coherent style anyway)I think at the very least if we’re going to throw around these slightly irrelevant on their own sub genres then their has to be artists named with them so people can understand what you mean as my definition of deep techno may not be the same as the next person.
I doubt this could happen but i think it would be great if we could get a more general techno overview covering bits of various styles to some extent but i know the way the htsl is structured around building one track then that would probably make that idea impossible.
So anyway as to particular styles when/if we ever get this htsl,then i’d suggest we stick to something fairly modern as i assume we all plan to release records in the upcoming decade and create something that could be played out these days.Although it depends on who it is as a guy like rob hood i think is pretty much as relevant as ever to techo but a lot of his say mid 90s peers can sound dated comparatively especially on the engineering side.
Also I do personally enjoy a lot of the harder more industrial sounds of surgeon, regis and more recently berlins ancient methods but i’m not sure if theirs a wide enough appeal to do that personal bias aside.
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Hey, very well pointed out, gotta agree.
+1 for James Holden or Nathan Fake.
yeah i prefer the techno like cadenza - reboot stuff loads of funk & rhythm in it.
on Logic Please
I am sorry mates but all the things you showed has NOTHING to do with techno…
(I work for several techno label (digital and vinyl) and I am also producer, I live for techno for more than 10 years…)
If you want to heard some “modern” stuff check this out :
SoundCloud - Hear the world’s sounds
SoundCloud - Hear the world’s sounds
SoundCloud - Hear the world’s sounds
- YouTube
- YouTube
- YouTube (classic one)
SoundCloud - Hear the world’s sounds
SoundCloud - Hear the world’s sounds
SoundCloud - Hear the world’s sounds
SoundCloud - Hear the world’s sounds
A1) Giacomo Stallone - Back To 2002 - YouTube
- YouTube
Those are techno, sometimes it’s a bit cheesy (easier for the neophytes), sometimes a bit harder…
A techno HAS to be from 135 to 142 i would say… The things you showed were mostly minimal-tech or tech-house, not techno ^^
quote]djfreak303 (1/14/2010)[hr]I am sorry mates but all the things you showed has NOTHING to do with techno…
(I work for several techno label (digital and vinyl) and I am also producer, I live for techno for more than 10 years…)
A techno HAS to be from 135 to 142 i would say… The things you showed were mostly minimal-tech or tech-house, not techno ^^[/quote]
Fair enough thats YOUR OPINION of what techno is but i hope you understand what you say is subjective and not fact,as a site if we get a techno tutorial we’re all decide as a group what we want,obviously your as welcome as anyone to give YOUR OPINION on what techno is but when you say it has to be x or y to be(proper)techno then that is incorrect because lots of people don’t think modern techno has to be 135bpm and above for example.A lot of modern techno isn’t in that bpm range and you may say well thats not proper techno to me then or in fact that then makes it some other genre like tech house but if the site overall think thats what techno is and want that because they like it the most out the options then it dosen’t really matter what your opinion of true/proper/real techno is apart from being one person with one vote.
LoL, please, who are you?!!! you seem to be funy ;]
And if you looked at the other posts, you would see people asking for Jeff Mills’ techno, or Adam Beyer, … so you shouldn’t say I am the only one, that’s stupid…
What you say is the perfect example of what make all the techno lovers angry as hell…
I work in techno, and travelled for it for years… I know (and work with) some world famous techno producers, and I also read a hell lot of things, and let me tell you that what you say just get a HELL LOT of producers mad…
this is NOT techno, that’s not MY OPINION, that’s a FACT
(ask people like Ben Sims (one of the best techno dj / producer ever) or Derrick May (one of the detroit guys who CREATED the techno movement in 1986, you should read some things about him, would help you for sure… Carl Craig would be NOONE without him…)
This kind of words just get all the techno lovers MAD as hell…
don’t ask for techno if u have no clue of what it is… that’s the point .
[quote]chris831 (1/13/2010)[hr]To be honest i find this poll a bit confusing and not very accurate/relevant as few people these days talks of stuff in terms like ‘acid techno’(as a coherent style anyway)I think at the very least if we’re going to throw around these slightly irrelevant on their own sub genres then their has to be artists named with them so people can understand what you mean as my definition of deep techno may not be the same as the next person.
I doubt this could happen but i think it would be great if we could get a more general techno overview covering bits of various styles to some extent but i know the way the htsl is structured around building one track then that would probably make that idea impossible.
So anyway as to particular styles when/if we ever get this htsl,then i’d suggest we stick to something fairly modern as i assume we all plan to release records in the upcoming decade and create something that could be played out these days.Although it depends on who it is as a guy like rob hood i think is pretty much as relevant as ever to techo but a lot of his say mid 90s peers can sound dated comparatively especially on the engineering side.
Also I do personally enjoy a lot of the harder more industrial sounds of surgeon, regis and more recently berlins ancient methods but i’m not sure if theirs a wide enough appeal to do that personal bias aside.
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I based the poll on the sub genres of techno you see when buying techno from download sites etc.
Maybe when afew people have voted we could get some artists names down for the most polled sub genre!
[quote]djfreak303 (1/14/2010)[hr]LoL, please, who are you?!!! you seem to be funy ;]
And if you looked at the other posts, you would see people asking for Jeff Mills’ techno, or Adam Beyer, … so you shouldn’t say I am the only one, that’s stupid…
What you say is the perfect example of what make all the techno lovers angry as hell…
I work in techno, and travelled for it for years… I know (and work with) some world famous techno producers, and I also read a hell lot of things, and let me tell you that what you say just get a HELL LOT of producers mad…
this is NOT techno, that’s not MY OPINION, that’s a FACT
(ask people like Ben Sims (one of the best techno dj / producer ever) or Derrick May (one of the detroit guys who CREATED the techno movement in 1986, you should read some things about him, would help you for sure… Carl Craig would be NOONE without him…)
This kind of words just get all the techno lovers MAD as hell…
don’t ask for techno if u have no clue of what it is… that’s the point .[/quote]
well lets say that u might have worked in many labels and productions ( wich i dont find any website or info on your Profile about what u state 
) .
well!! doesnt give the right to critize others people ignorance lol.
anyways i am a techno head as well , I grew up Djing every kind of techno from detroir to shcranz.
I would like to see a tutorial of Detroit Techno for sure . and not more Schranz
[quote]djfreak303 (1/14/2010)[hr]LoL, please, who are you?!!! you seem to be funy ;]
And if you looked at the other posts, you would see people asking for Jeff Mills’ techno, or Adam Beyer, … so you shouldn’t say I am the only one, that’s stupid…
What you say is the perfect example of what make all the techno lovers angry as hell…
I work in techno, and travelled for it for years… I know (and work with) some world famous techno producers, and I also read a hell lot of things, and let me tell you that what you say just get a HELL LOT of producers mad…
this is NOT techno, that’s not MY OPINION, that’s a FACT
(ask people like Ben Sims (one of the best techno dj / producer ever) or Derrick May (one of the detroit guys who CREATED the techno movement in 1986, you should read some things about him, would help you for sure… Carl Craig would be NOONE without him…)
This kind of words just get all the techno lovers MAD as hell…
don’t ask for techno if u have no clue of what it is… that’s the point .[/quote]
I may be ‘funny’ but i think your the joke.First off you ask who am i?,did i ever try to set myself up as some kind of all knowing authority figure on all things techno?,i have however listened to variances of techno for about the last 15 yrs so i obviously have an opinion of what it is,more importantly though i am aware my views are just my own and therefore i would never do something as ridiculous as claiming i can decide all that is and isn’t techno for the rest of the people on the site.All i said was your stating subjective opinion as fact and your still doing it.You are the one that keeps going on about how you’ve been doing this for years and now your trying to gain some authority/credibility by saying you work with world famous techno producers,as if even that gives you some right to decide what is and isn’t correct,so a much better question is who are you then?.Why not post up links to the tracks you’ve been making all these years since you act like you know exactly what is and isn’t right i’m sure we can all learn something.
You once again seem to have a massive problem differentiating fact from opinion so i’ll explain it to you one last time,when you make statements like ‘all techno lovers’ think this or that you are once again stating an opinion which is a projection of your own bias and self interest,this is not scientific fact,go look up what a fact means in the dictionary and then come back and try to use the term properly.Also when saying things like ben sims is one of the best techno producers ever this is again your opinion,i personally don’t think he is that great so if he talks about a certain type of techno being the most real/true on his facebook page or whatever eg the stuff he makes and personally likes that doesn’t really make other versions and visions of techno ben sims dosen’t count cease to exist or become irrelevant.
I have actually read many things about and interviews with Derrick May over the years and yes in many of them he has a go at lots of different techno producers/styles(usually ones he feels aren’t showing enough of a lineage to his own ideas of detroit outwards)Derrick is always going to be a legend for where/when he came and therefore what he did for techno but that was a long time ago and again when he says he likes or dislikes something that is only an OPINION,what is their about this concept you don’t understand?.So you’ve picked two people who might justify some throwback linear narrative to a certain type of techno well done! this proves nothing about the so called facts you state in regards to your own personal preference being best.Even if it was so lets just pretend you were right and all the stuff you like is real techno and everyone else in this thread you say doesn’t understand techno is wrong,it still doesn’t matter!.This is because this site is a democracy and when people see the word techno they don’t all think what you think they have different ideas and likes and dislikes so you telling them their views aren’t valid is wrong and that’s the only reason i said i didn’t agree with you because you were forcing your opinion and definition of techno on everyone else under the guise that you understand it all more somehow.I disagree with you on this and i don’t trust you on it as you said to do earlier in the thread because i don’t think your definition of one fairly narrow element of all modern techno which seems to have a somewhat old school sound type bias is the only correct/true form based on the stuff you’ve posted and what you’ve said,a lot of people have a lot of different ideas on what good techno is you seem to think though your ideas are more important than the rest.
For the record though I like jeff mills,rob hood,adam beyer(old and new)my main point was why not stop telling people what is and isn’t techno according to your own rules as you really have no right or authority to do this!!!,and i also corrected you on a FACTUAL error of saying techno had to be around 140bpm or at least 135bpm plus as many modern techno productions are not.Although maybe in your own crazy world their still not proper techno tracks anyway so maybe you should e-mail beatport or mixmag/dj mag etc and tons of websites and tell them their putting non techno tracks in the techno section according to you and see how far you get.
In the modern dance scene cross pollination is rife and it is getting harder and harder to nail down an exact one true definition of any genre especially one as far reaching as techno,fair enough if people were posting drum and bass tracks or something that would be pushing it but these days in a lot of ways one mans tech house is anothers techno.Your totally within your right as i and everyone is to have an opinion about what makes techno but to just flat out tell people their wrong as their definition of techno and yours don’t match is not your place to do on the site.If it was 1998 it might be easier to nail down exactly what techno is/was but its not so people will all have different ideas that will tend to conflict with your own opinions,the problem is you seem to be under the delusion your opinion is actually fact or at least better than everyone elses.So if this tutorial ever gets made then everyone(including those you say don’t know real techno)will as a group have to decide what we all feel it is and want and the majority will get that.Certainly nobody with any sense is going to drop what they personally like/think/want from a techno tutorial because theirs one guy on a forum who has decided he has worked it all out and therefore states yes or no this is and isn’t right.Again who are you? or who do you think you are?,your just one person with an opinion as am i as is everyone else who think techno is something you don’t.
Anyway I don’t see the point in carrying this conversation on as i’ve wasted enough time already but i have in this message taken the time to try to explain clearly what i meant to you so i hope thats the end of it,but if you do respond to get the last word or whatever don’t expect a reply.My closing thoughts are in my opinion your coming across fairly narrow minded and needlessly pretentious, also possibly slightly delusional in your sense of self too(i’ll await links to these real techno tracks you’ve been producing and released with further explanation on your dealings with FAMOUS PRODUCERS,but even if thats all true it still proves nothing in this discussion).No matter who you think you are,you’ve been a member of this site for like a month and i think a lot of what you’ve recently been saying is disrespectful to the rest of the people who pay their money too and have equal say on this if you like it or not,so you can’t just tell them what they want in a techno htsl shouldn’t be allowed as it isn’t techno to you and this of course gets ever more ridiculous when you try and claim your taste is somehow factual/better. Since you don’t seem to have a decent grasp of the english language ether maybe you should just keep some of these opinions to yourself especially since here you seem to only disagree with nearly everyone posting on the thread or at least why not just state your opinions as that, another voice to the discussion as opposed to telling people their wrong about stuff that is fairly impossible to be right and wrong about,apart from in your own mind of course.
this poll has been confusing from the start everyone has different views and opinions on what makes each sub genre in recent posts theres been sub genre’s i’ve never heard of before lol
Yeahh Mr Djfreak 303 i want to hear the tracks that u produced ?lol
i expect the tracks to be better than Danilo Vigorito , Budai and Vic, Marco carola , Datar , selway and smith and even better than all the Music that i heard in the past 13 years .
lol please post ur Music .
yeah , after i voted i realized that hard techno isnt what i meant. i personally like producers like umek, fergie, d unity. thats techno to me atleast most of their stuff is. i really liked the essential mix a couple of months ago with dubfire and richie hawtin. very techno -tech set
WOW
Can’t believe how heated this thread has got, I can see there is a lot of very passionate individuals here. That’s good. However please guys, please don’t let differences of opinion spark arguments over what is and isn’t correct (which is of course subjective by matter of opinion).
We’re all entitled to post up about what kinda ‘sound’ we’d prefer, hell, i even gave it a go, was what I posted ‘real techno’? Sod knows. Infact what IS ‘real’ techno, house, trance, etc these days?
That is the beauty of creativity, each producer has their own take and style.
It’s the same as art, there is 100’s of different styles and ways to create it, different looks, moods, artist interpretation, etc… in the end of the day, it’s all still art.
Here is what Wikipedia has to say about Techno:
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Techno]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Techno[/url]
(Obviously however, this isn’t based fact but mere rough guide and history)
i still want some Detroit techno , not the minimal one .
please SA